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Ragnar4
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10-04-2006, 10:49 PM
Post subject: How to deal with an out of line player?
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playing at .02/.05
Player is raising 10 or 12 times the BB? How do I deal with this guy? I Just watched him show down JJ with an .90 raise. I'm considering Just sittin, and waitin' for AA, KK and nuking him. But is there anything else I can do?
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The older I get, the more I start wondering; Just what in the hell is going on here? 
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LimpinAintEZ
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uh, just fold if your not comfortable...
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Ragnar4
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but I want to stack him.
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The older I get, the more I start wondering; Just what in the hell is going on here?
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If you feel uncomfortable playing against him I would suggest leaving the table. If you want to stack him you have to be prepared to also loose your stack to him. Besides waiting for monsters I could cold call in position with hands I can lay down easily post-flop but could bust a high PP like SC's or suited one-gappers when I hit a flop.
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Ragnar4
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again. I really am not uncomfortable. I think he's making a major mistake raising so much with cards that don't warrant a raise. I just wanted to take him off his stack. He got out of line with KK, I called with QQ, and caught the set. He over bet the pot. I called, he shoved on the turn when a blank hit, and river was also a blank.
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The older I get, the more I start wondering; Just what in the hell is going on here?
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The bigger someone raises pre-flop, the less correct it becomes to just call him.
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How much of a reraise would you suggest? and with what BTW not KT i hope
ps nice avatar 
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Originally Posted by bigslikk
How much of a reraise would you suggest? and with what BTW not KT i hope
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obviously this depends on how often he raises
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At lower limits, it's a tactic I use. Until someone pipes up, I keep raising. Eventually, someone will get a hand and reraise and I stop .... only to start up again in a few orbits. People tend to get frustrated with this and start calling with lessor hands. 
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Originally Posted by Ragnar4
again. I really am not uncomfortable. I think he's making a major mistake raising so much with cards that don't warrant a raise. I just wanted to take him off his stack. He got out of line with KK, I called with QQ, and caught the set. He over bet the pot. I called, he shoved on the turn when a blank hit, and river was also a blank.
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if he's raising KK and JJ, how is he getting outta line? - Sounds like he's raising his high pairs to the level that he feels will eliminate players (this is absolutely correct, imo) - think about the level your playing - Does a 3x BB raise accomplish Anything at all? No - If he has to raise 12x BB to get 1 or 2 callers then sounds like he's adapting his raising standards to the game - If he's doing it with crap hands that is different...sounds to me like he's just trying to play his good cards fast...Stay outta his way unless you have something -
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Originally Posted by LimpinAintEZ
if he's raising KK and JJ, how is he getting outta line? - Sounds like he's raising his high pairs to the level that he feels will eliminate players (this is absolutely correct, imo) - think about the level your playing - Does a 3x BB raise accomplish Anything at all? No - If he has to raise 12x BB to get 1 or 2 callers then sounds like he's adapting his raising standards to the game - If he's doing it with crap hands that is different...sounds to me like he's just trying to play his good cards fast...Stay outta his way unless you have something -
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Very good. He's raising big hands. How can you get "out of line" with an overpair after the flop at 5NL?
If that flop was J high, I bet he woulda stacked your QQ. That's what "out of line" gets him.
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You're telling me that with JJ Raising to 12xBB isn't out of line? 3xbb sure seems to thin the field at the levels I play. To be even more poignant, no, that wouldn't have stacked me. Because I would have folded without a Set. I have no choice when he does that to put him on KK, AA, or JJ when he does that. 3jacks two kings or 2 aces.. I'm beat by each one.
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at 25NL I see jackasses raises 10x BB with stuff like J10 suited...never played $5NL but at 10NL I remember players would Push all in preflop with AQoff and hands like A10 are gold to these players....
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What does it say in your avatar under "just say no to tilt?"
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10-06-2006, 02:35 AM
Post subject: Re: How to deal with an out of line player?
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Originally Posted by Ragnar4
playing at .02/.05
Player is raising 10 or 12 times the BB? How do I deal with this guy? I Just watched him show down JJ with an .90 raise. I'm considering Just sittin, and waitin' for AA, KK and nuking him. But is there anything else I can do?
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Other good hands to stack him with ( a coin flip but you may have the advantage most of the time)
AKs, AKo, AQs, AQo, AJs, AJo, QQ, JJ,
If you have to just smooth call him and see if the flop helps you.
If you have QQ and no King and Aces on flop you can check-raise All-In or Raise if he bets.
Try to pick him off a little at a time on the turn and then the river to pot commit the Villian if necessary.
Use the hammer as well, but BEWARE somebody else at the table has a monster hand!!!!
He raises to 90 cents, and you drop a $2 hammer. He will most likely go AI or fold!!!
If he folds and you try it again expect a call.
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i think this is a mistake - If your bringing AQ and AJ to a showdown with a guy who is Raising KK and JJ, you are in for plenty of losing...I don't think the guy is playing bad at all - I think he's playing well actually - Taking marginal hands against a guy is a good way to start losing more than just your blinds - If he's already frustrated by the guy (who's only raising and showing premium hands) then playing AJ and AQ is only going to frustrate him more by sending him on tilt -
I have trouble with players who raise good hands preflop, but I don't change my standards - I give them respect unless i see them getting way outta line (not the case with this villain) - I don't start playing marginal hands though, I just re-pop him when I get good hands and then see where im at - Really, its going to be easier to just go after the other players who ARE pushing hands like AJ and A10 really hard...
also, something that I had to learn which was HARD, is not to make poker personal - If you think a guy is pushing too hard, then you can stand up to them but do it with good hands - When you make it personal and start taking the attitude the 'this guy is raising way outta proportion and i'm going to stack him' your just hurting your own game - there are ALWAYS easier targets...whne i play better players I take better cards against them...period - I don't make it personal -
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i have to preface that with thinking the villain in our case is playing well - I have played with plenty of players who try to just push everyone out on every hand - They play everything dealt to them and then just bet and bet and bet - Those are the kinda guys you need to take a stand with and push back...Against them I lower my standards quite a bit and all of a sudden im re-popping them with A10 and I will push in vs. them when i hit top pair...I just think the villain in our case is playing good poker - if he raises 3x BB with KK he's going to get the whole table to follow him in and then he has very little chance of winning the hand - Big pairs need to go against 1 or 2 players (or 3 or 4 bad ) and he's raising to accomplish that - you should take that lesson from him and adapt your game the same way...
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How often is he raising?
This makes a huge difference.
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