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Old 08-18-2005, 10:35 AM     Post subject: how to deal with maniacs/fish? #1 (permalink)  

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I rarely go on tilt but when a maniac/fish plays 2, 7 os or king, 2 os to beat your AA, KK, TPTK.....how do you guys deal with em? Do you guys just forget about it right away and just focus more on the game or do you guys take a short break?
make the RIGHT decision at the RIGHT time.



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Old 08-18-2005, 11:22 AM #2 (permalink)  
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I generally just bust them.
 
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Old 08-18-2005, 02:38 PM #3 (permalink)  
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1. Stick a note on them
2. Reload
3. Show them good cards
4. Take their money

Dont beat yourself up over a hand, if you feel you made the right decision.
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Old 08-18-2005, 03:22 PM #4 (permalink)  
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oh he busted your AA with 27o, time to curse at him and leave the table right?

wrong, time to reload and keep playing. I play in a homegame where i'll get raised 20xbb by a guy with K5s, and I beat them more often than not.

I've actually had a guy ask me "how can you reraise me all-in with QQ after i raise you ? I always lose with that hand"
take your ego out of the equation and judge the situation dispassionately
 
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Old 08-19-2005, 07:37 AM #5 (permalink)  

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oh he busted your AA with 27o, time to curse at him and leave the table right?

wrong, time to reload and keep playing. I play in a homegame where i'll get raised 20xbb by a guy with K5s, and I beat them more often than not.

I've actually had a guy ask me "how can you reraise me all-in with QQ after i raise you ? I always lose with that hand"
I showed a friend of mine the Kleptic starting hands, and he actually said he didn't agree with grouping QQ with AA and KK, that he didn't think it was a very good hand. I showed him my PT stats for QQ. He shut up

EDIT: Oh yeah, and the topic at hand: Reload, Add them to your buddy list, tell them they have excellent strategy, etc.
 
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Old 08-19-2005, 08:11 AM #6 (permalink)  
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 thought he was flush drawing or inside straight drawing, thought he might even call with ax or a queen. either way, pathetic flop call.

***** Hand History for Game 2559949287 *****
$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, August 19, 02:17:05 EDT 2005
Table Table 36646 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Wahoo2006 ( $116 )
Seat 7: olobolob ( $78.50 )
Seat 10: KatmanWalkin ( $123.95 )
Seat 6: SitInBackRow ( $108.05 )
Seat 9: Mr_Hawkes ( $132.30 )
Seat 5: ager234 ( $99 )
Seat 4: kihav ( $27.40 )
Seat 8: MrJay5 ( $96.35 )
Seat 3: Cnote_6 ( $47.20 )
Seat 2: executive44 ( $95.85 )
kihav posts small blind [$0.50].
ager234 posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Wahoo2006 [ As Qh ]
SitInBackRow folds.
olobolob folds.
MrJay5 folds.
Mr_Hawkes calls [$1].
KatmanWalkin calls [$1].
Wahoo2006 raises [$4].
executive44 folds.
Cnote_6 calls [$4].
kihav calls [$3.50].
ager234 folds.
Mr_Hawkes folds.
KatmanWalkin folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ad, Jc, 8d ]
kihav checks.
Wahoo2006 bets [$12].
Cnote_6 calls [$12].
kihav folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8c ]
Wahoo2006 bets [$32].
Cnote_6 is all-In.
** Dealing River ** [ Kd ]
Wahoo2006 shows [ As, Qh ] two pairs, aces and eights.
Cnote_6 shows [ 8h, 9c ] three of a kind, eights.
Wahoo2006 wins $0.80 from side pot #1 with two pairs, aces and eights.
Cnote_6 wins $98.40 from the main pot with three of a kind, eights.
>You have options at Table 36575 Table!.
executive44 has left the table.
Wahoo2006: nh
Cnote_6: ty
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Old 08-23-2005, 06:37 AM     Post subject: Re: how to deal with maniacs/fish? #7 (permalink)  
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It sucks when that happens, but it's not a big deal. The more it happens to you, the more zen you will become about it. What really sucks is when they leave before you got the chance to bust them.

Just yesterday I lost:

$120 with QQ against 52 offsuit

$200 with AA against Q3 offsuit

$240 with AA against Q2s

I never limped with any of these hands.

Only the last one bothered me because I made a bad call. The others were virtually unavoidable. Believe it or not, I still had a winning session.
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Old 08-24-2005, 03:45 AM #8 (permalink)  
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wait. push hard when you got it. break 'em like a wedding vow on the jerry springer show.
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Old 08-24-2005, 04:08 AM #9 (permalink)  
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 i'd label all these guys who won those hands and always search for them at tables. Sit down with position on them and make them pay 8/9 times more than they took off me on those few hands.
As for the bad run, it happens just keep that head up high (ive had another the last week or so where every good preflop hand ive had gets murdered post flop on the turn and river)
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Old 08-24-2005, 04:12 AM #10 (permalink)  
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thought he was flush drawing or inside straight drawing, thought he might even call with ax or a queen. either way, pathetic flop call.

***** Hand History for Game 2559949287 *****
$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, August 19, 02:17:05 EDT 2005
Table Table 36646 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Wahoo2006 ( $116 )
Seat 7: olobolob ( $78.50 )
Seat 10: KatmanWalkin ( $123.95 )
Seat 6: SitInBackRow ( $108.05 )
Seat 9: Mr_Hawkes ( $132.30 )
Seat 5: ager234 ( $99 )
Seat 4: kihav ( $27.40 )
Seat 8: MrJay5 ( $96.35 )
Seat 3: Cnote_6 ( $47.20 )
Seat 2: executive44 ( $95.85 )
kihav posts small blind [$0.50].
ager234 posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Wahoo2006 [ As Qh ]
SitInBackRow folds.
olobolob folds.
MrJay5 folds.
Mr_Hawkes calls [$1].
KatmanWalkin calls [$1].
Wahoo2006 raises [$4].
executive44 folds.
Cnote_6 calls [$4].
kihav calls [$3.50].
ager234 folds.
Mr_Hawkes folds.
KatmanWalkin folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ad, Jc, 8d ]
kihav checks.
Wahoo2006 bets [$12].
Cnote_6 calls [$12].
kihav folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8c ]
Wahoo2006 bets [$32].
Cnote_6 is all-In.
** Dealing River ** [ Kd ]
Wahoo2006 shows [ As, Qh ] two pairs, aces and eights.
Cnote_6 shows [ 8h, 9c ] three of a kind, eights.
Wahoo2006 wins $0.80 from side pot #1 with two pairs, aces and eights.
Cnote_6 wins $98.40 from the main pot with three of a kind, eights.
>You have options at Table 36575 Table!.
executive44 has left the table.
Wahoo2006: nh
Cnote_6: ty
deja vu
dont you just love warming up in the lower limits?

Stage #174944269: Holdem No Limit $0.05 [ 2005-08-22 23:05:03 ]
Seat 3 - MIFFED22001 $11.05 in chips
Seat 5 - WRESTLING189 $4.25 in chips
Seat 1 - POPEYE_69 $3.85 in chips
Seat 2 - DETER $5.10 in chips
*** BLIND [dealer 3] ***
WRESTLING189 - Post small blind $0.05
POPEYE_69 - Post big blind $0.10
MIFFED22001 - Pocket [Jh,Ac]
DETER - Calls $0.10
MIFFED22001 - Calls $0.10
WRESTLING189 - Calls $0.05
POPEYE_69 - Checks
*** FLOP [Js,Ad,6d] ***
WRESTLING189 - Checks
POPEYE_69 - Checks
DETER - Checks
MIFFED22001 - Bets $0.60
WRESTLING189 - Folds
POPEYE_69 - Calls $0.60
DETER - Folds
*** TURN [Js,Ad,6d,6s] ***
POPEYE_69 - Checks
MIFFED22001 - Bets $0.50
POPEYE_69 - All-In(Raise) $0.50 to $3.15
MIFFED22001 - Calls $2.65
*** RIVER [Js,Ad,6d,6s,3c] ***
POPEYE_69 - Show cards [Kc,6c]
MIFFED22001 - Show cards [Jh,Ac]
*** RESULT ***
Total Pot($7.90) Rake ($0.35)
Board [Js,Ad,6d,6s,3c]
POPEYE_69 - Total ($7.55) All-In HI$7.55)Three of a kind, sixes [Kc,6c - B:6s,B:6d,P:6c,B:Ad,P:Kc]
DETER - Folded on the FLOP
MIFFED22001 - HI:Two pair, aces and jacks [Jh,Ac - B:Ad,P:Ac,B:Js,P:Jh,B:6d]
WRESTLING189 - Folded on the FLOP
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Old 08-24-2005, 05:23 PM #11 (permalink)  
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I am reading Theory of Poker. He mentions that good players are going to get bad beat more often than bad ones…only because you are going to get your money in when you were ahead…the definition of a bad beat. So next time you get bad beat just realize that means you are a good player. Hahaha. I know it’s thin, but you gotta look on the bright side.
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Old 08-25-2005, 04:21 AM #12 (permalink)  
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Originally Posted by jmontis
oh he busted your AA with 27o, time to curse at him and leave the table right?

wrong, time to reload and keep playing. I play in a homegame where i'll get raised 20xbb by a guy with K5s, and I beat them more often than not.

I've actually had a guy ask me "how can you reraise me all-in with QQ after i raise you ? I always lose with that hand"
I showed a friend of mine the Kleptic starting hands, and he actually said he didn't agree with grouping QQ with AA and KK, that he didn't think it was a very good hand. I showed him my PT stats for QQ. He shut up

EDIT: Oh yeah, and the topic at hand: Reload, Add them to your buddy list, tell them they have excellent strategy, etc.
I agree with your friend in that QQ should not be grouped with AA and KK. It's still an excellent hand though obviously.
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Old 08-25-2005, 04:57 AM #13 (permalink)  
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What do you mean by maniac? If they call you down with weak crap, let them call you down with weak crap. If they raise with crap, reraise with stuff that isn't as crappy.
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