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DaddyDeez

12-20-2007, 10:48 PM Post subject: how bad was this push?

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Seat 1: Profit Hound (1,105), is sitting out
Seat 2: dcsscd (1,065), is sitting out
Seat 3: tiggr84 (1,185), is sitting out
Seat 4: Alexandre Ydra (1,200), is sitting out
Seat 5: XUMuskies (9,255)
Seat 6: el_dobre (1,050), is sitting out
Seat 7: shawngn6 (9,190)
Seat 8: CarlosCampos (1,050), is sitting out
Seat 9: DaddyDeez (2,325)
DaddyDeez posts the small blind of 30
Profit Hound posts the big blind of 60
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DaddyDeez [Kh Ks]
dcsscd folds
tiggr84 folds
Alexandre Ydra folds
XUMuskies folds
el_dobre folds
shawngn6 raises to 120
CarlosCampos folds
DaddyDeez raises to 2,325, and is all in
Profit Hound folds
shawngn6 calls 2,205
DaddyDeez shows [Kh Ks]
shawngn6 shows [As Js]
*** FLOP *** [Ah Jc 3c]
*** TURN *** [Ah Jc 3c] [Jh]
*** RIVER *** [Ah Jc 3c Jh] [2s]
DaddyDeez shows two pair, Kings and Jacks
shawngn6 shows a full house, Jacks full of Aces
shawngn6 wins the pot (4,710) with a full house, Jacks full of Aces
DaddyDeez stands up
Profit Hound stands up
dcsscd stands up
tiggr84 stands up
Alexandre Ydra stands up
XUMuskies stands up
el_dobre stands up
shawngn6 stands up
CarlosCampos stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4,710 | Rake 0
Board: [Ah Jc 3c Jh 2s]
Seat 1: Profit Hound (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: dcsscd didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: tiggr84 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: Alexandre Ydra didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: XUMuskies didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: el_dobre didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: shawngn6 showed [As Js] and won (4,710) with a full house, Jacks full of Aces
Seat 8: CarlosCampos (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: DaddyDeez (small blind) showed [Kh Ks] and lost with two pair, Kings and Jacks

i had re raised him a couple times prior to this hand and stole, and i knew if i pushed here he would call me thinkin i had junk, i put him on about what he had but didnt really take time to think it over.
i feel like i played it stupid and got what i deserved for pushing pre flop here, still i think even if i had seen the flop id have put myself ahead and wouldnt of been able to fold. thoughts?

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donkbee

12-20-2007, 10:52 PM

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Getting all the chips in preflop with the best hand is NOT bad and is absolutely PERFECT. If you thought he would call, you played it well. You just got unlucky.

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DaddyDeez

12-20-2007, 11:23 PM

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thanx for the welcome

GatorJH

12-21-2007, 04:47 PM

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You made on a good read on what villian would do and, as Courtie mentioned, got your chips in the middle with the best hand. The rest is up to the poker Gods (oh, and if its PokerStars, Lee's kill switch, hehe).

Welcome to FTR and if you want more feedback on hands that puzzle you feel free to post them in the SNG forum.

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Robb

12-21-2007, 05:01 PM

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Here's the poker stove output for your preflop situation:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 68.064% 67.83% 00.23% 1161493 3961.50 { KhKs }
Hand 1: 31.936% 31.71% 00.23% 542888 3961.50 { AsJs }

Assuming villains would only push hands of AJs or BETTER, here's the simulation:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 68.939% 67.70% 01.24% 56803864 1037594.00 { KhKs }
Hand 1: 31.061% 29.82% 01.24% 25023844 1037594.00 { 99+, AJs+, KQs, AKo }

The second stove evaluation is against the Top 5% of PokerStove hands, and you're still better than 2 to 1 preflop.

Good play. Good shove. Bad luck. Overall it's a winning play.

DaddyDeez

12-21-2007, 05:42 PM

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thanx everyone! great responses

"You made on a good read on what villian would do and, as Courtie mentioned, got your chips in the middle with the best hand. The rest is up to the poker Gods (oh, and if its PokerStars, Lee's kill switch, hehe).

Welcome to FTR and if you want more feedback on hands that puzzle you feel free to post them in the SNG forum."

thanks m8, ill be sure to post hands in the right section from now on

biondino

12-21-2007, 06:23 PM

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Serious answer - why on earth did you ask this question? NEVER EVER FOLD KK IN A TOURNAMENT.

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12-21-2007, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorJH

Welcome to FTR and if you want more feedback on hands that puzzle you feel free to post them in the SNG forum.

thanks m8, ill be sure to post hands in the right section from now on

This wasn't the wrong forum - it was definitely a newbie question. I would suggest reading several HH's and analyses in the SnG forum, trying to find HH's from the level you play most often. See what different lines people advocate with what kinds of hands, relative stacks, blinds, and reads.

The typical SnG forum posters would have seen this HH and basically said, "wtf?? shove, shove, shove!!" Here, folks take a bit more time to respond since the people who post here are, admittedly, beginnners.

Don't be shy, though. People may be blunt, but they're here trying to analyze your thinking and help you fix up your game. That's helpful.

There's a slick HH converter at weaktight.com that will clean up the HH's text a bit more. By the way, there's a typical FTR practice of not posting the outcome of the hand. We post only the part of the HH up to the vital decision point, here, the all-in shove, and leave the rest out. That way, the people who analyze the hand face the same decision that troubled you, and they say what they think without focusing on the actual outcome.

Hope this helps. Get in here, read some HH's + analyses, post some of your own hands. It helped me become a better player. Still does, as a matter of fact.

GatorJH

12-21-2007, 07:15 PM

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Robb got his post in before I could but was also going to say that you can also post here if you don't feel comfortable with posting in the SNG forum. Most of the regular's in that forum check this one as well.

Good Luck on the tables.

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DaddyDeez

12-21-2007, 09:55 PM

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[/quote]
This wasn't the wrong forum - it was definitely a newbie question. I would suggest reading several HH's and analyses in the SnG forum, trying to find HH's from the level you play most often. See what different lines people advocate with what kinds of hands, relative stacks, blinds, and reads.

The typical SnG forum posters would have seen this HH and basically said, "wtf?? shove, shove, shove!!" Here, folks take a bit more time to respond since the people who post here are, admittedly, beginnners.

Don't be shy, though. People may be blunt, but they're here trying to analyze your thinking and help you fix up your game. That's helpful.

There's a slick HH converter at weaktightcom that will clean up the HH's text a bit more. By the way, there's a typical FTR practice of not posting the outcome of the hand. We post only the part of the HH up to the vital decision point, here, the all-in shove, and leave the rest out. That way, the people who analyze the hand face the same decision that troubled you, and they say what they think without focusing on the actual outcome.

Hope this helps. Get in here, read some HH's + analyses, post some of your own hands. It helped me become a better player. Still does, as a matter of fact.[/quote]

It definately helps. Thanks alot Robb

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12-21-2007, 11:03 PM

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I hope one day you end up being a very good player so you can look back at this post and say lol.

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12-21-2007, 11:06 PM

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I hope one day you end up being a very good player so you can look back at this post and say lol.

I think everyone's first post mirrors this one though

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12-21-2007, 11:28 PM

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Hi and welcome to FTR, it's great to have you here!

Just so you don't feel bad, this was the first hand I posted about 2.5 years ago.

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ll-t19048.html

GatorJH

12-22-2007, 01:33 AM

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I hope one day you end up being a very good player so you can look back at this post and say lol.

Or better yet, other people can bump them just to make others laugh at you, eh Courtie?

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DaddyDeez

12-23-2007, 09:30 PM

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fair enough, the flop jus messed with my head i guess, and i really jus wanted to post somthing and get things started on FTR. thas my excuse for teh future :P

donkbee

12-23-2007, 11:43 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by givememyleg

I hope one day you end up being a very good player so you can look back at this post and say lol.

Or better yet, other people can bump them just to make others laugh at you, eh Courtie?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Why poker fucks with our heads: it's the master that beats you for bringing in the paper, then gives you a milkbone for peeing on the carpet.

Robb

12-23-2007, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyDeez

fair enough, the flop jus messed with my head i guess, and i really jus wanted to post somthing and get things started on FTR. thas my excuse for teh future :P

Good instinct - do more of this, and try to get in early on some of the HH discussions in the SnG forum, take a stab, say what you'd do, see what others think.

As others have said, welcome to FTR - good luck at the tables.

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