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gosam
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07-25-2008, 02:35 PM
Post subject: How to adjust to exceedingly tight tables.
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3-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jun 2008
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I'm playing NL10 FR at Titan (iPoker), and the problem is tables are just too tight.
Tables usually consist of 3-4 shortstackers, and the rest play something like 9/7 or 10/3 for the most. I can't count the number of times where I raise preflop with aces or kings and get the blinds only.
My stats are 16/10 for July. I tried loosening, but then the nitty regs start 3betting and raising me light like it's their job. And I still can't get paid off my good hands.
I'm trying to change rooms, but I can't deposit into neteller (or the room for that matter) because of legislation in my country, and Titan are being annoying over player to player transfers.
Any advice?
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ATOTHEC101
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just play agro in position, isolate limpers frequently, play looser in position and 3 bet a bit lighter yourself. Though tbh if abc poker isnt working out for you at this room and at these stakes than its time to find a different one, though i know this is difficult with your current position.
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xptboy
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steal the blinds everytime (ok maybe not with 72o), cbet almost all flops and win the small pots, if someone raises in EP and you know that he's got a hand then you can definitely call behind with T7s or something and try get a nice flop to stack him with.
oh and if u can't do that... find a better table 
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spoonitnow
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In short, attack.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
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Rule # 1: don't ask questions
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I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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BankItDrew
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loosen up against tight players
tighten up against loose players
poker is so easy!
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by BankItDrew
loosen up against tight players
tighten up against loose players
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Ummmm.... no....
Steal blinds/antes/flops from tight players
GAMB00L with loose players
Tightening up against loose players leaves too much money on the table. You just need to play a bit tighter than them, better position and make better decisions.
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BankItDrew
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Originally Posted by Fnord
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Originally Posted by BankItDrew
tighten up against loose players
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Ummmm.... no....
You just need to play a bit tighter than them, better position and make better decisions. |
WTF?
Sure, I was vague, but come on.
Other than the "play a bit tighter than them," how is the rest of your sentence different than advice we should always be implementing?
Do you really think that there are times when we should consider position less and good decisions infrequently?
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d0zer
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Originally Posted by Fnord
You just need to play a bit tighter than them
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It's an art I struggle with, erring too often on the loose side 
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BankItDrew
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Originally Posted by d0zer
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Originally Posted by Fnord
You just need to play a bit tighter than them
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It's an art I struggle with, erring too often on the loose side |
I think this can all come back to tilt.
I am often guilty of putting targets on opponents backs, for whatever reason. It could be because villain insulted my mom, stacked me, won't shut up, or is playing every hand. The pros say to adjust, the hard part is adjusting correctly.
Everyday I think I'm guilty of playing back at opponents more frequently when I think they are either picking on me, or they just seem like the type who want to get stacked, and who better to do it than I. So, this is me on tilt. I even get this way sometimes against an asshole who just doubled through me.
Anyways, I'm rambling, and I would not be surprised if you, dozer, learned nothing from this ramble. Hopefully someone did... but that's me being vain.
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bjsaust
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Straight Flush
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Originally Posted by BankItDrew
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Originally Posted by Fnord
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Originally Posted by BankItDrew
tighten up against loose players
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Ummmm.... no....
You just need to play a bit tighter than them, better position and make better decisions. |
WTF?
Sure, I was vague, but come on.
Other than the "play a bit tighter than them," how is the rest of your sentence different than advice we should always be implementing?
Do you really think that there are times when we should consider position less and good decisions infrequently? |
I think he means we may actually play looser than our standard game, as long as its tighter than our opponent is.
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Just playing to improve.
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Fnord
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Here is how I see it.
When there is a terrible, loose player or two at a table with tigher, medicore to goodish folks, they're getting stacked and leaving broke at least 8 times out of 10. Think of it as a big raffle for their stack. I want to stuff the hopper with as many raffle tickets with my name on them as possible and try to get my opponent's tickets out of the hopper. I do this by picking intelligent spots to gamble with the table action. In addition, the table coaches who don't understand my strategy will read me wrong and make some pretty big mistakes when I play them in pots.
When someone is throwing around lots of money, the correct adjustment isn't to tighten up and wait for a big edge, the correct adjustment is to get in there and gamble!
That's a pillar of my poker game that's worth a thousand hand histories.
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Here's how you adjust in a nutshell:
Tight tables -> go aggro
Loose tables -> go passive
Aggro tables -> get tighter
Passive tables -> get looser
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by iopq
Loose tables -> go passive
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...I'd rather say, bluff less and value bet more. Don't totally rule out a good bluff though as loose players often get themselves into pretty meaty pots with weak hands.
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BankItDrew
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The first thought that should enter our mind at all times should be: "Is it profitable to play this hand?" Rather than: "Should I fold this hand?"
Yet another example of how an aggro mindset is overall better than a passive one.
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