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Old 04-04-2009, 02:56 PM     Post subject: Horrible call??? #1 (permalink)  
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This guy had been at this table for 25 hands and pushed every hand. I decided the first pair I got. I was calling. He had showed 23o, 49o, etc........

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Hero (BB) ($0.85)
UTG ($4.89)
MP ($1)
Button ($1.62)
SB ($8.26)



Preflop: Hero is BB with 6, 6
1 fold, MP (poster) checks, Button bets $1.62 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero calls $0.83 (All-In), 1 fold

Flop: ($1.73) K, 6, K (2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: ($1.73) 7 (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($1.73) 8 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $1.73 | Rake: $0.05
Main pot: $1.73 between Hero and Button, won by Hero

Results:
Button mucked 5, 2 (one pair, Kings).
Hero had 6, 6 (full house, sixes over Kings).
Outcome: Hero won $1.68
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Old 04-04-2009, 03:01 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Same guy and I wanted to bust him.

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saw flop | saw showdown

Hero (MP) ($1.67)
Button ($4.86)
SB ($0.96)
BB ($0.83)
UTG ($8.25)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A, 10
1 fold, Hero bets $0.06, Button calls $0.06, 1 fold, BB raises to $0.83 (All-In), Hero calls $0.77, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.73) 6, 4, 10 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($1.73) J (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($1.73) A (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $1.73 | Rake: $0.05
Main pot: $1.73 between Hero and BB, won by Hero

Results:
BB had 6, 5 (one pair, sixes).
Hero had A, 10 (two pair, Aces and tens).
Outcome: Hero won $1.68
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Old 04-04-2009, 03:09 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 So where's the question? You're going to see people like this simply gambling and going all-in every hand. I say call when you know you're ahead of his range. Pocket pairs or high cards and I'm in there like swimwear. I LOVE when these players are at my table.

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Old 04-04-2009, 03:20 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 Are you shortstacking, or have some other reason to have < 100BBs in front of you?

If you think the villain is shoving ATC, then this is easy. Calculate your equity needed to break even on a call (hint, it can be found in a lot of places on this site/on internet) then use PokerStove to find the range of hands with > than that equity percentage, then call.
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Old 04-04-2009, 03:21 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Should one really risk 40BB's when they know they are ahead pre-flop? I guess that's really my question. I know GBM allows for the beats. But, should I be risking 40-45 BB's pre-flop against anyone without AA?

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Old 04-04-2009, 03:24 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Should one really risk 40BB's when they know they are ahead pre-flop? I guess that's really my question. I know GBM allows for the beats. But, should I be risking 40-45 BB's pre-flop against anyone without AA?

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If you think the villain is shoving ATC, then this is easy. Calculate your equity needed to break even on a call (hint, it can be found in a lot of places on this site/on internet) then use PokerStove to find the range of hands with > than that equity percentage, then call.
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Old 04-04-2009, 03:29 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Are you shortstacking, or have some other reason to have < 100BBs in front of you?

If you think the villain is shoving ATC, then this is easy. Calculate your equity needed to break even on a call (hint, it can be found in a lot of places on this site/on internet) then use PokerStove to find the range of hands with > than that equity percentage, then call.
I had just taken a beat and failed to re-load. Thanks for the hint but I had actually followed this guy for an hour for information on his play. I was aware that he hasn't a range. He was pushing with anything and I had calculated my equity many times before making the call in the first hand posted above.

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Old 04-04-2009, 03:38 PM #8 (permalink)  
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 When you're ahead, call. If you are properly rolled, you can get it in even with a slight edge over and over again.

Don't shortstack.
If he shoves ATC, then call when you're ahead.

I also don't like the raise. Don't give him a reason to fold a hand. Just limp / call.
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Old 04-04-2009, 03:47 PM #9 (permalink)  
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I also don't like the raise. Don't give him a reason to fold a hand. Just limp / call.
Great point here and something I hadn't thought of. I hadn't seen him fold. However, I shouldn't give him that option.

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Old 04-04-2009, 04:57 PM #10 (permalink)  
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You're so far ahead if hes shoving any 2. Just be careful when u call light and there's still people behind you. Also, just turn on auto rrebuy unless you're only playing JJ+, AQ+ preflop. With a small stack you're losing value on playing smaller pp's or drawing hands.
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Also, just turn on auto rrebuy unless you're only playing JJ+, AQ+ preflop. With a small stack you're losing value on playing smaller pp's or drawing hands.
Another good point.

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Old 04-04-2009, 06:13 PM #12 (permalink)  
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1. Download pokerstove
2. open pokerstove, and click on player1, then click on "preflop"
3. Move the slider to the far right 100%
4. Click on player2 then click on "pre-flop"
5. Move the slider to the right until you hit 100% again.
6. delete 10 of the worst hands from the scale.
7. run the test.
8. If you are not a 55/45 favorite, go back and add hands or delete hands until your range is a 55/45 favorite.
9. Call with all of the hands in the 55/45 range.
10???
11. Profit.
The older I get, the more I start wondering; Just what in the hell is going on here?
 
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Are you shortstacking, or have some other reason to have < 100BBs in front of you?

If you think the villain is shoving ATC, then this is easy. Calculate your equity needed to break even on a call (hint, it can be found in a lot of places on this site/on internet) then use PokerStove to find the range of hands with > than that equity percentage, then call.
I had just taken a beat and failed to re-load. Thanks for the hint but I had actually followed this guy for an hour for information on his play. I was aware that he hasn't a range. He was pushing with anything and I had calculated my equity many times before making the call in the first hand posted above.

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he has a range, it's 23o+

ragnar, why 55%? How often do you think the poster checks his post to slowplay (against a frequent preflop shove monkey) vs. how often he has nothing?

I would say he would only slowplay QQ+,AK which is like what, 4%?
even THEN you'll find that our equity is not terrible

rake is like 5%
we can make a profitable call if we're 52% vs. his range because the money in the pot just about pays for the rake, and the 2% is the insurance against running into a better hand by the poster
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