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IowaSkinsFan
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05-05-2006, 03:19 AM
Post subject: Home Game $5 Tourny: how bad is this call by opponent?
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3 players left in 8 man $5 tournament home game. payouts are $30 for 1st, $10 for 2nd.
I'm chip leader with $45, villian is next with about $25, and shorty has only about $10. Blinds are $.75/$1.50, i'm big blind. Villian is dealer and raises to $4.00 (standard raise). Shortie folds... i have A9, i reraise $10, not because it's a paticularly strong hand, because it's not, but because i know he'd be an idiot to want to put all his chips in on something he's unsure of. Well, he thinks about it and then pushes all in... I say fuck, but since there's already 35 in the pot and $15 to call, i call. He flips over 55, What the Hell is he thinking! And i lose the hand.
How bad was this by the Villian?
P.S. i end up winning the tourny anyway.
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AHiltz
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He may of had a read. Maybe he thought you were weak since you didn't push. He may have also factored in shorty and thought you might fold.
I don't hate his play. Play for first.
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Tripforyou
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05-05-2006, 04:50 AM
Post subject: Re: Home Game $5 Tourny: how bad is this call by opponent?
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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
3 players left in 8 man $5 tournament home game. payouts are $30 for 1st, $10 for 2nd.
How bad was this by the Villian?
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It's more complicated than that, three man pocket 5's are pretty good anyway. Also, he plays with you a lot I would assume... if he's a good player he could easily have a read on you, or maybe he had a good feeling about it. He's also used to your betting style which would greately influence his decision. I've gone with my gut and gotten paid off huge before. Either way I like his play in that spot, you coulda just been trying to steal, there's so many factors you'd have to write a half page just to cover the basics...
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Greedo017
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and, he didn't call, you did. both of your plays were fine. a lot of this depends on how the table was playing though.
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i betcha that i got something you ain't got, that's called courage, it don't come from no liquor bottle, it ain't scotch
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mcatdog
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It's usually a bad idea to get into a coinflip situation on the bubble with someone who can bust you. I don't think the player with the fives played the hand well at all, but if you really did "flip out" over it, that's pretty classless and defeats the purpose of a 5 dollar home game which is supposed to be just for fun.
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givememyleg
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WHO YA GONNA CALL?!??
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I don't think he made that bad of a move.
And you lost a race. May God have mercy on your soul.
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It was a good push and a good call by you. I like to minraise in this spot because min raising will give you just as much information about an opponents hand as a 2.5X raise (like yours) would. BECAUSE, if he comes over the top, he generally has: PP or big Ace. Another way to play it would be to call, and see how aggressive he his postflop. It's easier to outplay a semi-strong hand postflop than it is to out play it preflop when everything is at stake and cards are turned over. In other words, play the player.
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i would push 55 here all day
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i push
it's a home gome for $5 against people he knows
i think if he folds there, he folds everywhere
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AHiltz
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Originally Posted by BankItPayette
I like to minraise in this spot because min raising will give you just as much information about an opponents hand as a 2.5X raise (like yours) would.
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And if opp has ANY brains at all he knows to call that min raise with excellent odds. You are making the mistake here, not him.
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Lukie
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I like villain's play a lot more then hero's.
If you are going to repop him, put him allin.
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IowaSkinsFan
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Okay, here's why i don't get why this is a +EV play. No matter what I have, he's at best 50/50. He could be also easily dominated.
Why would you want to put all your money in on a guaranteed 50/50 when you've only invested $4.00, less than 1/6 of his stack?
Also can this be moved to the Sit and Go Tourney Tactics forum? I think it's a little more fitting there.
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jackvance
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He most likely has 55% to win. With only 3 people, over-pp is rare. Good push. Especially if he had a read that you might be trying to bully him.
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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
Why would you want to put all your money in on a guaranteed 50/50 when you've only invested $4.00, less than 1/6 of his stack?
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Well, you've answered your own question. If he knows the deal is 50/50 and he has to be $21 to win $50, then it's a no-brainer.
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Greedo017
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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
No matter what I have, he's at worst 55/45. I could be dominated. Or I could be raising weak and fold
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i betcha that i got something you ain't got, that's called courage, it don't come from no liquor bottle, it ain't scotch
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Pelion
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I like his play. I also think he was hoping youd fold A9 there.
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
bigspenda73: But how much did you win?
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IowaSkinsFan
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I see your guy's point.
I just thought that the fact there is a $10 stack comes into play. If the shortie was $5 would my play be better?
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Pelion
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It all depends on whether or not you think you can push him around.
If its a $5 home game then
a) He probably doesnt care about it all that much.
b) He probably knows you, and knows you will try to push him around.
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
bigspenda73: But how much did you win?
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