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desucof
Old 01-17-2005, 07:05 PM     Post subject: Hmmm was i right to go all-in #1 (permalink)  

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Hi everyone ... 1st time post here.

Just a hand last night that annoyed me and just wanted to get peoples thoughts.

$0.15/0.30
got dealt 6 9 offsuit ... was goin to fold but was big blind so checked 1st round of bets to see flop.

flop: 8 9 9 rainbow

now im pretty pleased with my hand at this stage. 1 person raises $1.20

2 people fold 1 calls then to me -- i raise to $3.60 so the original raiser folds but the onlyother player calls ...

turn is 10 diamonds to make 2 diamonds on the board.

now i can't see how im behind here so i raise $2.10

he calls.

river is Q diamonds.

now i'm aware that maybe the player was drawing but it's pretty outrageous to be calling my raise on flop with that so i had him on a high pair like Q or K - but then i probly shud of asked myself why he didnt raise preflop

anyway i raise 2.40 on river he re -raises 2..40 to go all in i call

he had a flush with Q 2 diamonds..

now my question is this bad play by me or is he just an ill-disciplined player to be calling my big raise on flop when he way way behind

any comments helpful

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Old 01-17-2005, 07:09 PM     Post subject: Re: Hmmm was i right to go all-in #2 (permalink)  
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river is Q diamonds...

he had a flush with Q 2 diamonds.
I hope you busted his ass for cheating.
I don't know what they have to say
It makes no difference anyway.
Whatever it is...
I'm against it.
 
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Old 01-17-2005, 07:11 PM #3 (permalink)  
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What the hell, man, that was extremely outrageous to call on the flop with Q 2 lol.

if people are going to play shit like that its fairly impossible to put them on any hand, but yea.

just chalk that one up to the fish, 95 times out of 100 youll have that guys money. add him to your friends list and go play with him!
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Old 01-17-2005, 07:29 PM #4 (permalink)  
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The river looks like he was heavily sandbagging better trips. I would fold if the pot wasn't huge and he wasn't a moron.

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Old 01-17-2005, 07:44 PM     Post subject: Re: Hmmm was i right to go all-in #5 (permalink)  
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river is Q diamonds...

he had a flush with Q 2 diamonds.
I hope you busted his ass for cheating.
I freaking knew it was rigged! Proof!
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Old 01-17-2005, 09:00 PM #6 (permalink)  
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By the time the river rolls around and you have a paired board with a flush draw and your kicker is weak you have to figure you're beat. Only way I bet into this guy is if he has shown a tendency to show down really weak hands. By the time he re-raises you all-in the pot is so big that you had to call. I would have check/folded on the river to anything except a very small bet. I would also be very surprised when he showed a flush because he called the original bet with only a backdoor and possibly a pair (confused about that part).
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Old 01-17-2005, 09:08 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Oh yea Im very new to online but Ive noticed a lot of people will play A9, K9, Q9 etc.
So you had to be wary of that, although he probably would have raised instead of calling.

but its pretty impossible to put him on a backdoor flush draw. Maybe you should have just called the river, oh well. Im no poker expert lol.
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Old 01-17-2005, 09:45 PM #8 (permalink)  

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cheers for all the replies - damn fast response time.

i have noted his name and in a few other hands i've seen him play since he tends to do the same kinda thing so he'll be a cash cow for me from now on as long as he doesn't hit those outrageous flushes like that again.
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Old 01-17-2005, 10:02 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Sometimes people won't let go of there hand whatever they have, I love it when I have the nut draw and they call call call to hit it and raise to be re-raised by my nuts

You played the hand well, I probably would have smooth called on the flop if it was a rainbow board and pushed on the turn once the two 's were out.
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Old 01-17-2005, 11:25 PM #10 (permalink)  

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true cheers 4 that ... ok just got this hand 2 mins ago .... $0.05/0.10 blinds

got KK raised to .90 called by 1 person.

flop kinda nasty AA4

1st off - wot would people do here. he checked ( thought he might b slow playin so i checked ... in retrospect shud of raised - but ok next car

7

checked by him then me

Q ...

he raised $1 i called he had QQ and took it down.

i really thought he was slow playin me with AK or AQ

shud i of raised big on flop when he checked or wud that be losing alot of my chips if he had the A.

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Old 01-17-2005, 11:29 PM #11 (permalink)  
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Definetly bet the flop. If he calls the flop thinking you don't have an ace. You'll have more troubles.

Don't assume your beat becuase a hand *could* beat you.

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Old 01-18-2005, 11:51 AM #12 (permalink)  

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cheers gorilla -- i hindsight yeah i know shud of bet.

lucky enuf that it didn't cost me that much but say for instance i did bet $1 on flop he called then when the 7 helped no-one i betted again $1 .. he calls ... then on river he hits Q ... he bets then i am so committed i would call - in this instance i would lose alot more than i did but i think that aggressively bettin the flop wud of been the best option.

anyway 1 last strategy i'd like your opinions on ... does anyone here play like with a specific profit target in mind. say for instance last nite sat down on the $0.05/0.10 table ... put $4 down ... said i'd like to try and get $15 but preferrabel $20 .... bout 40 mins gone up to $16 ..... table getting a little bit stale so i use a strategy that i like to use quite often. I c that i need $4 to make my target so i go to a diff table and put $4 down and then play ultra tight waiting for that KK AA AQ or QK to go all in ..... it seems to work alot for me ... the reason i do it is for risk reward reasons ... basically wit a hand like that im 50-50 or even huge fav against any callers and i limit my risk to the $4 that i am happy to lose if i hit these monster hands( by switchin table ive locked in my guranteed $8 profit and thats if i lose tha all-in)

did this exact thing last night when was on table ... hit AK .... i raised to 1.60 ... reraised by next hand so i go all in for $3.60. there 3 other callers .... i have AK ... they have 77 AJ and A 9 or something ... needless to say i take it down and turn $4 into $14 .....

any comments on this strategy
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Old 01-18-2005, 02:29 PM #13 (permalink)  
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You're following the idea of bankroll managment in my thread in Hold 'em strats.

The idea I present is that you should be playing stakes where the full buyin isn't something you're afraid to lose. What 4 dollars is to you know is what the full buyin *should* be to you mentally.

For me, 100 bucks just isn't what 100 bucks used to be. This allows me to play properly without worrying about losing it all.

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Old 01-18-2005, 02:52 PM #14 (permalink)  

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yeah i know what u mean gorilla .... it's not the money aspect as $4 is pittance but i was working under the assumption of the table blinds beiong so small. Anyway i've only been playin online for a wk so starting off small and then will build up.

I work as a daytrader so used to leverage and the concept u state as regards $100 not meanin as much to u. Basically the plan for any gr8 poker player shud be to make consistent +ve profits so that no matter what size table they on they should come out on top ... be it $0.05/0.10 or $100/200 ... have to have the same mentality to succeed at it - well thats just my experience and opinion inanyways
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Old 01-18-2005, 05:44 PM #15 (permalink)  
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Don't assume your beat becuase a hand *could* beat you.
I think this is one of the big problems of new poker players. Once a player starts analyzing the board they start getting scared of what others could have. You need to look at how they are betting, both now, and earlier in the hand.

That is also a small pet peeve. 1 guy bets and gets called. He immediately asks, "You got blah blah?" And most of the time they are scared of the most ridiculous hands. "You gotta 75?"

You held KK and the flop came out AA4. That makes it less likely that someone holds that 3rd A. However, you will run into slow-players. If they are stupid, or confident of their kicker, you could have someone smooth call with an AK, AQ, AJ. But you need to rewind and think of how they played the hand pre-flop. What range can you put them on. QQ would probably smooth call as well. However, 44 will probably bet. But if you put out the proper pre flop raise, 44 usually won't see the flop.
I don't know what they have to say
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Old 01-19-2005, 07:26 AM #16 (permalink)  
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Depending on the type of player I would have put him either on a drawing hand of JT or on slow playing a boat with 88
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Old 01-20-2005, 04:15 PM #17 (permalink)  
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deff bet between 1/2 and 3/4s of the pot on the flop...

i'd be a lot more scared of betting with 1 ace on the flop than two because people flop trips a lot . . .

If anyone calls/ raises be prepared to give up on the hand on the turn if unimproved . . .
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