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Old 07-18-2009, 12:38 PM     Post subject: Hitting, TPTK in position (10NL) #1 (permalink)  
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 I don't have a lot of hands on the villain here, but it seems like he maybe be a c-betting monkey (he has raised and c-bet every hand he has played so far).

Range: He seemed fairly tight running at 12/12 over a small sample. I guessed at the time he range was medium pairs+ and maybe AQ, AK. I don't really know if that is the right sort of range here.

Am I on the right track with this hand? Should I raise the flop bet or let him second barrel? When the betting gets a bit heavy, I'm not sure if I should be folding or calling. Folding AK in after hitting TP seems nitty and weak-tight to me, but I'm a pretty poor and horrible cash player, so any help is appreciated.

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BB ($3.05)
UTG ($1.90)
MP1 ($13.65)
MP2 ($1.85)
Hero (CO) ($9.85)
Button ($6.05)
SB ($9.50)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A, K
1 fold, MP1 bets $0.40, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.40, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.95) 8, 7, K (2 players)
MP1 bets $0.65, Hero calls $0.65

Turn: ($2.25) 5 (2 players)
MP1 bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

River: ($5.25) 8 (2 players)
MP1 bets $4, Hero calls $4

Total pot: $13.25 | Rake: $0.65
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Old 07-18-2009, 12:52 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 Given your reads that this guy is aggro when he does chose to play a hand, i don't see how you can fold at any stage given how under-repped your hand is as played. If he's a thinking player he'll likely think the top of your range on this river is a weak ace and can triple barrel as a bluff. He may also value bet AQ AJ since you don't look like you can beat those hands very often at all.

Since we don't know if he's aggro enough to bet 3 streets for thinnish value or as a bluff, we shouldn't put ourselves in this spot to begin with. I'd probably 3 bet pre, but given his tight opening range, don't mind your call either. I'm raising this flop here and felting. He'll likely get it in with worse aces and flush draws and the only hands that we're crushed against are 77, 88 and KK. We can assume K8 and K7 aren't in his MP opening range.

That 8's a good card on the river since it makes sets less likely, i think we defo have to call river as played.

 
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There are a couple streets where a raise would fit quite nicely IMO. + I don't get the BR w/ the stakes being played.
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 So the general idea is to 3-bet taggs PF and fold if they 4-bet PF? Also we'd want to call behind players loose aggressive/passive players that aren't folding to c-bets post-flop, right?
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I don't get the BR w/ the stakes being played.
Good SNG player, bad cash player. Why donk off 2x as much at 25NL, when you can donk off less than 1/2 as much at 10NL, while you learn?
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I don't get the BR w/ the stakes being played.
Good SNG player, bad cash player. Why donk off 2x as much at 25NL, when you can donk off less than 1/2 as much at 10NL, while you learn?
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Old 07-18-2009, 02:26 PM #7 (permalink)  
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You would need a read to fold this hand. Against a seemingly tight unknown on this board AK is a stackoff hand for me, but the way you played it is fine too as it allowed weaker holdings to keep putting money in the pot. If villain has a set or an overpair, oh well. But no way is folding an option here.
 
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Old 07-18-2009, 03:02 PM #8 (permalink)  
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I raise the flop bet to protect against draws and get it in while we're ahead, but I'm a noob too
<JustinSKS> Tha'ts why I fold my 33 to 72o, because 7 high beats, 1 pair, donk.

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Old 07-18-2009, 04:28 PM #9 (permalink)  
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 If he fires 3 streets w/AQ+, KK+ and 77 then it's a call. If you can ever add bluffs or KQs then it's an easy call. If you think he doesn't always go for three streets with AQ then its closer.
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If he fires 3 streets w/AQ+, KK+ and 77 then it's a call. If you can ever add bluffs or KQs then it's an easy call. If you think he doesn't always go for three streets with AQ then its closer.
I'd have to say guys' 3-streeting (without a hand that beats TP) at 10NL are a pretty rare breed. Maybe this makes it a fold? Part of the issue is I'm not really sure if he has bluffs in his range here ... God I suck at cash. I think I got the cash-retarded gene.
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