Originally Posted by tomato paste carnage

Easy fold. Villain has you beat with anything, especially any AQ QJ Q10 or even 79 J9 that might be in his I-Dont-Play-Full-Stacked-Cause-Im-A-Donk range.

Originally Posted by littleogre

. This is a pretty easy call. honestly surprised that so many of you say to fold. look at it this way villain is either betting a made hand or busted draw. with the exception of paired Qs what made hands is he betting?

Originally Posted by littleogre

The only AQ i fear is AdQd.

Originally Posted by Belt

Dude you are aware that you must have at least 35% equity to make this call break even, right?

Say he pushes with straights, sets, 2pair hands with Q, busted flush draws with Qd and unpaired busted flush draws. Lets count;

Str8s with 97 (12 combos)
Str8s with J9 (16 combos)
Sets (15 combos)
Two Pairs with Q (36 combos)
Busted flush draws width Qd (excluding 2pr ones) (7 combos)
Unpaired busted flush draws (21 combos)

He pushes total 107 combos. 21 / 107 = ~20%

Since 35 > 20, no need to be surprised when people say it is a fold.

By the way,
You are the one who is holding the Ad. So no need to be afraid of AdQd.

Originally Posted by littleogre

This is a pretty easy fold.

Originally Posted by littleogre

If we put him on a range AK-a2 suited diamonds

Originally Posted by littleogre

Preflop: Hero is dealt 7 A

Originally Posted by littleogre

This is a pretty easy call.

Originally Posted by BennyLaRue

If you think that, then why post this hand?

Originally Posted by littleogre

His line is typical of a busted draw.

Originally Posted by Belt

Dude you are aware that you must have at least 35% equity to make this call break even, right?

Say he pushes with straights, sets, 2pair hands with Q, busted flush draws with Qd and unpaired busted flush draws. Lets count;

Str8s with 97 (12 combos)
Str8s with J9 (16 combos)
Sets (15 combos)
Two Pairs with Q (36 combos)
Busted flush draws width Qd (excluding 2pr ones) (7 combos)
Unpaired busted flush draws (21 combos)

He pushes total 107 combos. 21 / 107 = ~20%

Since 35 > 20, no need to be surprised when people say it is a fold.

By the way,
You are the one who is holding the Ad. So no need to be afraid of AdQd.

Originally Posted by littleogre

Please remove 66/tt/22 from his range. Honestly i think your range is off because few 2nl players are gonna play a flopped set that way. I think we can also remove a set of queens. Very few people set hunt with QS.

We are coming to different conclusions because you are including hands in his range that frankly i am not including

Originally Posted by Belt

OK. Lets form another range then. Since you are the one who is playing against this particular villain, we have to form a range on your reads. But still, I insist that this is a contradiction to your OP where you said the guy is an unknown.

Yes he is unknown but against an unknown i assume they play like the typical 2nl player. i only have a little over 30 k hands at ub 2nl. In those hands i have never seen a villain flop a set and check to the river. So i assumed that this one wasn't doing it either.

Busted FDs (I made a mistake in my previous post counting these since J9dd and 97dd are str8s now...)
Busted FDs (19 combos)

Pairs
Qxdd one pair hands (7 combos)

2 Pairs (Lets not include the ones he may have before the turn)
QT(9), Q8(9), Q2dd(1), T8(9), 86s(3) (31 combos)

Sets
only 88 as you said (3 combos)

Str8s
J9 (16 combos)
97 (12 combos)

There are 88 combos total... 19/88 = ~21.6 < 35 and this is the tightest range that i can come up with. You still need to drop 34 hands from his made hands for this call to be break even. In other words if you exclude all 2prs and sets from his range (34 combos) this call is still -EV (after rake)...

Actually you don't need to count anything while you play. This situation is soooooo obvious.

Originally Posted by Belt

OK. Lets form another range then. Since you are the one who is playing against this particular villain, we have to form a range on your reads. But still, I insist that this is a contradiction to your OP where you said the guy is an unknown.

Busted FDs (I made a mistake in my previous post counting these since J9dd and 97dd are str8s now...)
Busted FDs (19 combos)

Pairs
Qxdd one pair hands (7 combos)

2 Pairs (Lets not include the ones he may have before the turn)
QT(9), Q8(9), Q2dd(1), T8(9), 86s(3) (31 combos)

Sets
only 88 as you said (3 combos)

Str8s
J9 (16 combos)
97 (12 combos)

There are 88 combos total... 19/88 = ~21.6 < 35 and this is the tightest range that i can come up with. You still need to drop 34 hands from his made hands for this call to be break even. In other words if you exclude all 2prs and sets from his range (34 combos) this call is still -EV (after rake)...

Actually you don't need to count anything while you play. This situation is soooooo obvious.

Originally Posted by littleogre

I'm not playing against his range i'm playing against the average 2nl range

Originally Posted by littleogre

Have any of you ever heard of a general range? If you have no reads on villain you assume that he plays like most villains at your level.

Originally Posted by Da GOAT

damn

btw i copyright the username General Range!!

Originally Posted by TheBowlBoy

Hell I could take a $50 roll at 2NL and be rolled up for 5NL in like 5 hours tops can you?

Originally Posted by Belt

And can you please write down what that range might be?

Originally Posted by Belt

And can you please write down what that range might be?

Originally Posted by littleogre

Here you go sir


equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 59.304% 58.90% 00.40% 186589011 1273072.50 { Ad7c }
Hand 1: 40.696% 40.29% 00.40% 127641084 1273072.50 { 77, KQs, QTs+, Q8s, Q6s, Q2s, J9s+, J7s, T9s, 98s, 87s, 75s+, 65s, 54s, 43s, 32s, KQo, QTo+, Q8o, Q6o, Q2o, J9o+, J7o, 75o }


When i say range i mean post flop hand ranges. So i put hands in ps that fit into my post flop view of how most 2nl players play .

Originally Posted by littleogre

Here you go sir


equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 59.304% 58.90% 00.40% 186589011 1273072.50 { Ad7c }
Hand 1: 40.696% 40.29% 00.40% 127641084 1273072.50 { 77, KQs, QTs+, Q8s, Q6s, Q2s, J9s+, J7s, T9s, 98s, 87s, 75s+, 65s, 54s, 43s, 32s, KQo, QTo+, Q8o, Q6o, Q2o, J9o+, J7o, 75o }


When i say range i mean post flop hand ranges. So i put hands in ps that fit into my post flop view of how most 2nl players play .

Originally Posted by littleogre

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 59.304% 58.90% 00.40% 186589011 1273072.50 { Ad7c }
Hand 1: 40.696% 40.29% 00.40% 127641084 1273072.50 { 77, KQs, QTs+, Q8s, Q6s, Q2s, J9s+, J7s, T9s, 98s, 87s, 75s+, 65s, 54s, 43s, 32s, KQo, QTo+, Q8o, Q6o, Q2o, J9o+, J7o, 75o }

Originally Posted by littleogre

Here you go sir


equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 59.304% 58.90% 00.40% 186589011 1273072.50 { Ad7c }
Hand 1: 40.696% 40.29% 00.40% 127641084 1273072.50 { 77, KQs, QTs+, Q8s, Q6s, Q2s, J9s+, J7s, T9s, 98s, 87s, 75s+, 65s, 54s, 43s, 32s, KQo, QTo+, Q8o, Q6o, Q2o, J9o+, J7o, 75o }


When i say range i mean post flop hand ranges. So i put hands in ps that fit into my post flop view of how most 2nl players play .