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Old 12-09-2006, 11:02 PM     Post subject: Hi There #1 (permalink)  

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Ok i play on ladbrokes poker and im a cash game player playing at usually $.10/.20 and $.25/.50 levels. These games are generally loose-passive but im thinking to myself i may be to much of a calling station, maybe im wrong but i find myself always limping with pairs 22-99 in all positions, should i be raising with these hands even when there has already been a few limpers or just continue to call and try and see a cheap flop, i also just call small raises with these hands. should i be reraising or just folding to the raises

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Old 12-09-2006, 11:15 PM #2 (permalink)  
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22-66 limp after a 2+ limpers, play for set value. If other players are capable of folding post-flop then I raise with one limper if I'm in LP.

77-99 I'll raise with 1-2 limpers, call for set value with 3+. If raising doesn't get people to fold, then be less likely to raise, or try raising more.

Rule of thumb is 3bb + 1bb/limper (if you aren't getting folds try 3bb + 2bb/limper)

When calling raises the rule of thumb is 20x (implied odds). You want the raises to have 20x the amount of the bet left in his stack (and you too). It can be less if he raises and gets 4 callers.

This requires better post-flop play (i.e. you'll end up in trickier situations). But that will make you a better player.
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Old 12-11-2006, 06:57 PM #3 (permalink)  

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If your in LP and everybody has limped in, raise with a low pair or suited connector and see how many hands you can take down for the final see of the flop.

In EP if you have a low hand just limp in and wait for what others do. However even with a high hand say A & 10 and your in LP, if theres a raise and then a re-raise just fold out because the likelyhood of them having a very strong hand is high. just to point out some info there and Hi because im new also
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If your in LP and everybody has limped in, raise with a low pair
Negative, 22-66 play very poorly post-flop against more than one opponent, unless you hit a set (I'm assuming you don't get a bunch of folds at the low stakes).

Stick with easy decisions until you're comfortable at the table.
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Old 12-14-2006, 06:10 AM #5 (permalink)  

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22-66 limp after a 2+ limpers, play for set value. If other players are capable of folding post-flop then I raise with one limper if I'm in LP.
What do you do if there are no limpers yet, you always raise? Even with 22 in MP ?
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When calling raises the rule of thumb is 20x (implied odds). You want the raises to have 20x the amount of the bet left in his stack (and you too). It can be less if he raises and gets 4 callers.
Why do you need so much? 20x the bet?
Say its 50 NL and there is a raise of 4 times the BB from early position, and you are in late position with pocket sixes. The raiser has 30 bucks behind, and you have a full stack of 50 bucks. You hit the set once in 7.5 and of course not everytime you hit the set will you stack the guy, but he did raise in early position so you could assume he has a strong hand. So you can assume you get action most of the times you hit the set. What am I missing here...?
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Old 12-14-2006, 12:00 PM #6 (permalink)  
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its not 20X, its 10X. also I like to raise all PP from any position. gives especially if there are multiple limpers and they are all gonna call. I want that pot big and juicy for my set.
on the other hand, If everyone but one person fold then great, I like post flop play against only 1 person

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Old 12-14-2006, 12:28 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Most overestimate the chances of stacking someone when they hit a set. Opponent could have missed completly, scary board, overset etc. I think 10x is way too little.
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Most overestimate the chances of stacking someone when they hit a set. Opponent could have missed completly, scary board, overset etc. I think 10x is way too little.
1st, I almost never worry about an overset cause the odds of that happening are pretty damn slim. 2nd if he is such a short stack, he is even more likely to fish away all his cash cause if he c-bets he already has almost 40% of his stack in. just calling these guys and letting them catch a turn gives u a better chance, to stack em(BTW, I only do this vs short stacks, deep stacks are a different story) Plus good post flop play can tell you if they did not hit the flop, giving u a chance to steal the pot.

My play after the bet he should have another 10x the call I need to make. IE: if I am big blind and villian raises 4xBB I call my 3BB if he has 30 more BB to go in his stack. And I am never short stacked so I am never in question.
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Old 12-15-2006, 08:14 AM #9 (permalink)  

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1st, I almost never worry about an overset cause the odds of that happening are pretty damn slim. 2nd if he is such a short stack, he is even more likely to fish away all his cash cause if he c-bets he already has almost 40% of his stack in. just calling these guys and letting them catch a turn gives u a better chance, to stack em(BTW, I only do this vs short stacks, deep stacks are a different story) Plus good post flop play can tell you if they did not hit the flop, giving u a chance to steal the pot.

My play after the bet he should have another 10x the call I need to make. IE: if I am big blind and villian raises 4xBB I call my 3BB if he has 30 more BB to go in his stack. And I am never short stacked so I am never in question.
These are my thoughts too, a bit over 10 times is ok. And almost never worry about overset, if you start to worry such things its impossible to play good poker.
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