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kidsoldja
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05-26-2010, 05:17 PM
Post subject: Hero call..
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Two Pair
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Full Tilt Poker $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 716471
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
UTG: $5.46
MP: $5.00
CO: $2.41
BTN: $4.72
SB: $7.00
Hero (BB): $10.19
Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BB with 9 ♦ T ♦
2 folds, CO raises to $0.10, BTN calls $0.10, SB calls $0.08, Hero raises to $0.55, CO calls $0.45, 1 fold, SB calls $0.45
Flop: ($1.75) T ♥ A ♥ 4 ♥ (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.90, CO raises to $1.86 all in, SB folds, Hero calls $0.96
Turn: ($5.47) T ♣ (2 players - 1 is all in)
River: ($5.47) 2 ♥ (2 players - 1 is all in)
Final Pot: $5.47
CO shows Q ♠ J ♠ (a pair of Tens)
Hero shows 9 ♦ T ♦ (three of a kind, Tens)
Hero wins $5.11
(Rake: $0.36)
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fatguy'06
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3-of-a-Kind
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do you have any reads or stats on CO? Can you put a range on him? What was your thought process when you reraised T9s OOP? What were you thinking when you bet and then called an all in against a short stack villain with midpair on a flush board on the flop?
All in all, what made you think you could beat him Preflop or postflop?
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Keith
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Full House
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All i can see is someone trying to use higher stake plays atthe micros . The reasons why it will work at higher levels where people will fold a better hand are the reasons I don't like it here, people won't fold the better hand.You've got less chance of winning with TP compared to your typical opponents calling a 3bet range. You may have won the hand but long term you will lose lots of money playing like this at 5nl.
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mrchevyceleb
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Two Pair
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I don't want to be negative only supportive in these forums..
that said the entire way you play this hand is super super -EV for any stakes probably but esp for the micros, super squeeze 3-betting with 9Ts over tons of callers Out of Position and then c-betting into two opponents multiway when you flop 2nd pair. In the long run this play is going to cost you a lot of money.
Again, I don't want to be negative but have to be honest.
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JKDS
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Full House
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T9s has a ton more value checking behind pre (or i guess calling the minraise) than raising as a steal. When we raise we give our opponents the option of reraising us, and can make hands that would normally pay us off when we hit big fold such as weaker flush draws and other straight draws. In addition, we shift from a spot of being in fairly good relative position to being in a spot with very bad relative position. Also, the initial raiser here is a shortstack so i beleive his shoving, or at least 4betting, range is going to be wider anyway. Meanwhile, if we just call we're getting some absurd pot odds/implied odds, close the action, and have excellent relative position against the initial raiser (though i guess he does have fairly weak initiative).
On the flop im inclined to give up tbh...if betting closed the action then itd be fine and completely justifiable...but since we're rarely gonna be called in this spot (considering the stack sizes) and rather the opponent is either gonna shove with most hands that have equity and fold the rest i cant say i really like our hand.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
But no, jkds is lolvillager and anyone who wants to string him up is sighbad.
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Imthenewfish
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Full House
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
T9s has a ton more value checking behind pre (or i guess calling the minraise) than raising as a steal. When we raise we give our opponents the option of reraising us, and can make hands that would normally pay us off when we hit big fold such as weaker flush draws and other straight draws. In addition, we shift from a spot of being in fairly good relative position to being in a spot with very bad relative position. Also, the initial raiser here is a shortstack so i beleive his shoving, or at least 4betting, range is going to be wider anyway. Meanwhile, if we just call we're getting some absurd pot odds/implied odds, close the action, and have excellent relative position against the initial raiser (though i guess he does have fairly weak initiative).
On the flop im inclined to give up tbh...if betting closed the action then itd be fine and completely justifiable...but since we're rarely gonna be called in this spot (considering the stack sizes) and rather the opponent is either gonna shove with most hands that have equity and fold the rest i cant say i really like our hand.
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Yah 109s is too valuable in this spot preflop to give them the chance of betting us off it :/
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Santo2True
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Straight
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i think my thought process on this hand is, Yay, i get to call a minraise in a multiway pot and defend my blind with a great value hand. Not, oh I'm gonna 3bet the heck out of these feesh with a hand that "could" flop suttin even though I'm OOP cause it's gonna make me look mad strong.
still waiting to hear what you were actually thinking during the hand.....
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"Those who say it can't be done, shouldn't interrupt those who are doing it"
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bjsaust
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Straight Flush
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Wtf are you doing pre-flop? Misread your hand?
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Just playing to improve.
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daven
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two streets played........... badly
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Tasha
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Flush
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I hope it is okay to ask this, but suppose his initial was TT. How would you all have played the hand bearing in mind that CO went All-in after the flop?
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Imthenewfish
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Full House
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tasha
I hope it is okay to ask this, but suppose his initial was TT. How would you all have played the hand bearing in mind that CO went All-in after the flop?
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I'd probably set mine and just call preflop. The pot will only be $0.40 on the flop so we can't assume that CO will still get all-in, and if he does it's probably a mistake on his part that will only profit us long-term. I'd check because I don't think we're going to get many huge underdogs to call us, and our hand isn't strong enough to stand some strong bets yet. Calling a medium sized bet is okay on the flop, but I'd probably fold if there was a raise and reraise because it would suck to get priced in multiway here.
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Tasha
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Flush
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Interesting. I suppose what I am really asking here is what to do if you have three of a kind after the flop, but the flop is suited and CO has just gone all-in after raising the pre-flop too?
Do we think that CO was intending to bluff all along or was he recklessly drawing for a straight?
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littleogre
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Without any stats to let me know that co folds a lot to 3-bets i would just call his preflop raise. The call on the flop is pretty horrible.
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LAPRAS
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Two Pair
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OOP I don't isoraise so wide, especially so with a hand which plays fine in MW pots. Our hand is natrually suited to relativley high SPR's so 3betting a minraise and a bunch of overcallers at these stakes probably serves to contradict this idea.
You aren't deep enough to barrel anyone off Ax so c/f flop seems fine.
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Originally Posted by Tasha
Interesting. I suppose what I am really asking here is what to do if you have three of a kind after the flop, but the flop is suited and CO has just gone all-in after raising the pre-flop too?
Do we think that CO was intending to bluff all along or was he recklessly drawing for a straight?
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If we flop trips then we absolutely fist-pump get the money in asap. We have outs vs the top of his range and given SPR and the fact this is 5nl we can potentially expect villain/s to be getting it in with lots of one pair hands and draws.
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Stacks
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4-of-a-Kind
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Terrible.
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Tasha
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Flush
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Quote:
Originally Posted by XxStacksxX
Terrible.
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tomato paste carnage
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Straight
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Santo2True
still waiting to hear what you were actually thinking during the hand.....
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I'd also like to know what you were thinking during this hand. I don't like your preflop raise, and I don't understand the call on the flop. Reads? Stats? Something?
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Tilt is poker cancer. You catch it, you die.
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kidsoldja
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Two Pair
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Lookin back it...it was a bad call. even though CO (villain) was raising me on the blinds all game long, so i saw a suited pair hoping to trap him if i hit the flop. Bad way to play poker i know.
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Stacks
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4-of-a-Kind
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The 3bet preflop was bad. You have a hand that plays well in multiway pots. You are getting good pot + implied odds. Instead, you decide to 3bet from OOP a shortstack that when he calls he is likely to be ahead of you. And you aren't going to have much fold equity (he hates folding).
Betting the flop is bad. You aren't getting any value, as even a hand like QhJs is ahead of you. And given the SPR of 1, he isn't folding anything better like ever.
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oskar
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4-of-a-Kind
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What stax said
And flop isn't a hero call as played, Folding would be laughable. If you're even thinking about folding to that shove then for christ sake don't bet.
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The strengh of a hero is defined by the weakness of his villains.
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Outlaw
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Full House
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Not really a Hero call, the two bets before were hero bets
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