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Old 01-02-2006, 04:19 AM     Post subject: Help with a TPTK hand #1 (permalink)  
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This is a hand history, but i am a beginner so I posted here. please advise on my play here. i had no reads, and was slightly tilting because a few hands earlier i had a bad beat (my pocket ace were cracked by a flopped set of 10s, but we both put about 25% of our stacks in pre flop)

I bet I should have folded here and waited for a better spot, but it seems so many people at 10NL do this w/ under pairs that miss sets, or just hitting any piece of the flop, and occasionally with draws. Then again, since people are so loose/passive their could be two pair, a set, or even kk or aa. What do you think?

PokerStars Game #3495897818: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2006/01/01 - 00:17:09 (ET)
Table 'Geometria IV' Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: jumbo_plane ($20.05 in chips)
Seat 2: martyhog ($7.25 in chips)
Seat 3: hotdog181 ($10.30 in chips)
Seat 4: JavPin ($9 in chips)
Seat 5: benny88888 ($9.70 in chips)
Seat 6: Insurable1 ($4.90 in chips)
Seat 7: Max0316 ($6.50 in chips)
Seat 8: MASTER-IT ($3.70 in chips)
Seat 9: TruckerJW ($7.95 in chips)
jumbo_plane: posts small blind $0.05
martyhog: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to benny88888 [Ac Qs]
hotdog181: calls $0.10
JavPin: folds
benny88888: raises $0.30 to $0.40
Insurable1: calls $0.40
Max0316: folds
MASTER-IT: folds
TruckerJW: folds
jumbo_plane: folds
martyhog: calls $0.30
hotdog181: calls $0.30
*** FLOP *** [Qh 4c 7h]
martyhog: checks
hotdog181: checks
benny88888: bets $1.50
Insurable1: folds
martyhog: raises $5.35 to $6.85 and is all-in
hotdog181: folds
benny88888 said, "****"
benny88888: calls $5.35
*** TURN *** [Qh 4c 7h] [6h]
benny88888 said, "another set??>?"
*** RIVER *** [Qh 4c 7h 6h] [2c]

results in white:

*** SHOW DOWN ***
martyhog: shows [Ah 8h] (a flush, Ace high)
benny88888: mucks hand
martyhog collected $14.60 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $15.35 | Rake $0.75
Board [Qh 4c 7h 6h 2c]
Seat 1: jumbo_plane (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: martyhog (big blind) showed [Ah 8h] and won ($14.60) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 3: hotdog181 folded on the Flop
Seat 4: JavPin folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: benny88888 mucked [Ac Qs]
Seat 6: Insurable1 folded on the Flop
Seat 7: Max0316 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: MASTER-IT folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: TruckerJW (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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Old 01-02-2006, 04:25 AM #2 (permalink)  
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at this level top pair is probably good im thinking. i dont think they are going to have AA or KK here unless they are that stupid to try to slowplay preflop
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Old 01-02-2006, 05:22 AM #3 (permalink)  
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people actually limp aa and kk more than you'd expect in late position at these stakes...I love busting them for slowplaying when i hit big from the blinds...

anyway thanks for the comment. I was really not sure about this hand and have the hardest times deciding what to do with TPTK in these sorts of spots.
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Old 01-02-2006, 05:28 AM #4 (permalink)  
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even if some idiots at this level limp AA or KK you cant give them all credit for playing like that. a set is much more probable
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Old 01-02-2006, 03:35 PM #5 (permalink)  
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I figure I'm beat here and fold the flop. I don't like calling pushes/large raises with TPTK.
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Old 01-02-2006, 06:07 PM #6 (permalink)  
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depends on the player. I will fold this to someone i dont know but if he has a slightly smaller stack i will call. I will also make a note when he pushes here and keep an eye out for how often he does it.

edit: i will also call this if the pot is bigger.
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Old 01-02-2006, 06:12 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 I would put him on a flush draw or trips. Tough to go all in on TP.
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I would put him on a flush draw or trips. Tough to go all in on TP.
Agreed
i'd lean toward a call though considering how many dont know the odds of making a flush here.
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Old 01-02-2006, 10:34 PM #9 (permalink)  
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I'd probably call the AI too. If he had the set, i think he's more likely to simply call and get you to put more of your money in on later streets rather than push you off a hand. The overbet suggests a vulnerable hand - flush or straight draw or perhaps KQ or QJ.

Be careful, as you move up in limits, it becomes more and more -EV to call all-in reraises with TPTK. Don't persist with this when you move up!
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Old 01-03-2006, 05:12 AM #10 (permalink)  
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I feel better that at least there is not a resounding "dumb call" here. I understand what you mean about calling a huge reraise with TPTK usually being a bad move against an unknown opponent, but it's like DBL0SVN wrote, I put more weight on him having a weaker q, flush draw, or just him thinking I would fold since either I was continuation betting or was tight enough to fold top pair. I should have written the table had a larger than normal average pot size and that made me think of a semi bluff . Also, like Pelion, I'd fold more often with a smaller pot and an all in that covers closer to my whole stack.

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Old 01-12-2006, 12:07 AM #11 (permalink)  
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no more results in white I cant read the damn things!!!!
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Old 01-12-2006, 02:42 AM #13 (permalink)  
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no more results in white I cant read the damn things!!!!

lol thats the point. You are ment to think about it first so you dont get a results oriented opionion, then you can see the results by highlighting them.

The only problem with it is, 90% of the hand histories people post are where they lost a pot so its pretty easy to guess what the other guy has anyway.
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Old 01-12-2006, 05:22 AM #14 (permalink)  
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 On this type of board such a massive overbet is more often then not a semibluff with flush/str8 draw or someone with pocket 88/99 trying to buy the pot.
I would call, I think a set would call/raise less


 
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