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Miffed22001
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02-11-2006, 04:13 AM
Post subject: Hand range, have a think
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Ok lets imagine a 50Nl or 100NL table.
5 of the first 6 players limp including utg.
Player one before the button raises to 6bbs.
You are on the big blind.
What is your reraising range here? and why?
What is the raisers range here? why?
Assume raiser is a standard TAGG player, capable of a few moves but not a large post flop c-bettor; Knows where the fold button is.
Is this situation any different from a normal hand? If so, why?
Same for anyone who plays 200Nl 400NL or higher.
This is full ring not 6 max.
Ill post what somebody, whom i thought was a shyte player, told me he had played and why.
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Fnord
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02-11-2006, 04:24 AM
Post subject: Re: Hand range, have a think
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
Assume raiser is a standard TAGG player, capable of a few moves but not a large post flop c-bettor; Knows where the fold button is.
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TAgg had better not be standard. 
22-AA/AK/ATs+
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Miffed22001
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
Assume raiser is a standard TAGG player, capable of a few moves but not a large post flop c-bettor; Knows where the fold button is.
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TAgg had better not be standard.
22-AA/AK/ATs+ |
if thats his range what is youre reraise range.
Im interested more in what you would reraise from the sb with once there are 5 limpers and an lp raiser.
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Fnord
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if thats his range what is youre reraise range.
Im interested more in what you would reraise from the sb with once there are 5 limpers and an lp raiser.
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That's my range, his range is much wider. In general, I don't see this as a very nice spot to grab a pot. Might have a misread on TAgg, and too high of a chance one of the limpers makes a really silly call if the table is playing like this.
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I'm a wuss so I need a real hand to reraise. AK, maybe TT or JJ+.
How is the rest of the table playing? Has it been consistently so loose preflop?
Though villian could be on a limper-steal I don't try to buy the pot here. If villian is reasonably smart and aware TAGG he could be on any 2. His table image probably earns him this pot.
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Im even more of a wuss in the blinds...
I call with premiums for deception, having all the limpers is abugger but ill just call with AK, AQ for drawing hand value... check raise his arse [or someone elses] if i hit.
I only re-raise with AA-QQ, to get HU. I'll even limp jj for great set value when all the other early limpers chain-reaction call.
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Originally Posted by Fnord
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
Assume raiser is a standard TAGG player, capable of a few moves but not a large post flop c-bettor; Knows where the fold button is.
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TAgg had better not be standard.
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if thats his range what is youre reraise range.
Im interested more in what you would reraise from the sb with once there are 5 limpers and an lp raiser. |
I'm pretty sure that was his range for reraising.
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Miffed22001
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For those who have asked, no the table isnt playing like this. A lot of limpers is unusual.
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My rearaising range is AA-QQ. I'll call for sets and with AK.
I play in a big tank of calling stations though so I judt straight play for value here.
His raising range is probably AA-TT, AK-AJ, maybe KQ.
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Miffed22001
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Interesting thoughts.
Im the Tagg, holding AK and decided id seen enough of this. I nearly just pushed.
BB reraised me with what turned out to be 99.
Seeing his reraise and condisdering my raising range in this situation is very wide I shoved. Opp thought a long time about it then folded asking if i had kings.
I thought it interesting as opp said his play was to isolate me which showed a reasonable level of thinking. I also thought that by pushing opp needed a better hand than i thought he might hold to call. Didint know how bad my pooosh was but situation demanded it i think.
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Why is a Tagg's raising range very wide? It's highly dependent on how loose the table is. If there's usually 3 or more people on a raised Flop who don't fold much to continuation bets then a Tagg's not going to raise without a monster. So I would Reraise only with AA-KK. I would usually Reraise with QQ as well but with the size of the pot that's going to committ me if Tagg pushes as well as being OOP so I'll play for set value there.
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