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03-17-2008, 06:08 PM Post subject: This hand made me feel like a fish.

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Only 7 hands in, no sample set for a read.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($19.05)
SB ($4.75)
BB ($25)
UTG ($14.80)
Hero ($25.30)
MP1 ($28.90)
MP2 ($29.20)
CO ($46.40)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A

, A

.
1 fold, Hero raises to $1, 2 folds, CO calls $1, 3 folds.

Flop: ($2.35) 6

, 3

, K

(2 players)
Hero bets $2, CO raises to $6, Hero raises to $24.3

Ignore for a moment that I'm essentially showed the results here. If I was ahead when the money went in here I wouldn't have posted this, and that's obvious to a lot of readers.

The issue is what is missing from my thought process. It looks like with the amount of money behind I should have been able to sniff out a set and get away, but that's not what happened. I looked at it, tried different tacs, but I can't figure out how I should have gotten away.

Here's my idea of the V's range when he raises me, minus the pure garbage (since I don't plan on giving up to a single raise):
Board: 6s 3s Kd
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 60.761% 60.76% 00.00% 15640 0.00 { AdAh }
Hand 1: 39.239% 39.24% 00.00% 10100 0.00 { 66, 33, AKs, KQs, KsJs, 5s4s, AKo, KQo }
If villain's range is fairly correct for what he'll felt on the flop, than I'm only a slight favorite, and I should be able to bet in a way that gives me enough info to fold.

After I call his raise there's 14 in the pot, I have 18 behind. So if my 3-bet here is small enough for me to fold, I still can't fold because he can still push with hands that I beat.

Can I get away here?

Check out my self-deprecation here!

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03-17-2008, 06:45 PM

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Meh. It's not played horrible. To be honest Villain could be raising a FD, TPTK, TPGK trying to figure out where he is. Even a pair like QQ or JJ trying to figure out where he is.

I'm probably always felting this.

I damage threads that may actually benefit some posters

trump

03-17-2008, 07:04 PM

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I posted almost the exact same hand.... like exact, even down to the bet amounts. The response seemed to be that I was going to lose it all no matter what.

In my case he had trip kings.

Monty3038

03-17-2008, 07:39 PM

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I'm not sure about this, but I want to throw in some thoughts and see how donkish I am reading Harrington and trying to improve my play...

Initial bet I have no problem with, got a call from someone who you put on an ok range... the flop doesn't hurt you... you bet just under the pot which indicates slight weakness, unless you are trying for action, shouldn't you be going full pot? I know it is minor, but is that a factor?

Secondly, he isn't laying down K's no matter what likely (at least if he plays me) so he hit his set, bets 3x pot which to me makes me majorly take notice... two options, he set or is trying to steal, which he should know is unlikely... so he set. I fold right there...

But again, I'm a bit of a donk, is my thought process ok?

trump

03-17-2008, 07:43 PM

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Why does that bet suddenly smash all other options? I'd expect the same bet from AK, and if that were the case then I'd be way out in front in a monster pot.

pgil

03-17-2008, 07:46 PM

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you can't be folding an overpair on this board every time someone raises your bet. Too many hands can raise here that you are going to be giving up way too much by folding AA here.

I don't think it is necessary to pot the flop. I rarely make PSB's, and don't think that 2/3-3/4 bets look weak.

He also isn't likely to lay down a single K, or a draw. He might lay down QQ/JJ to the shove, but that is about it (outside of air).

If you are folding the overpair too often here you are giving your opponents too much credit. credit that they usually don't deserve.

"If you can't say f*ck, you can't say f*ck the government" - Lenny Bruce

CoccoBill

03-17-2008, 08:44 PM

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2/3-3/4 pot bets don't look weak, they look standard.

At low stakes against one opp I'm never folding this. If he has KK/66/33, nh.

"Honesty is for the most part less profitable than dishonesty."
-Plato

"God has a lot to answer for when standing before me in the last judgment."
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dev

03-17-2008, 08:53 PM

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Thanks for the responses everyone. I appreciate it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monty3038

I like your thinking, but it's not really a weak bet, if that's how you're reading it, it's going to lead to leaks.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monty3038

Secondly, he isn't laying down K's no matter what likely (at least if he plays me) so he hit his set, bets 3x pot which to me makes me majorly take notice... two options, he set or is trying to steal, which he should know is unlikely... so he set. I fold right there...

Ks go broke a lot more than you think, and it's a drawing board. Especially considering the spades are the 6 and 3 rather than the K. That means there's a lot of TP/FD hands out there that are not going anywhere.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monty3038

But again, I'm a bit of a donk, is my thought process ok?

You're on the right track I think.

Check out my self-deprecation here!

Miffed22001

03-17-2008, 09:28 PM

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what we think about our opponent determines how we play it.
if opp is unknown then i think you have to play for stacks, although i dont like it ad folding is pretty weak when we seem to have good equity versus opps range

Also, id be more inclined to think about if my decision is the best versus the typical opponent i play against. If im happy it is, then results should feel irrelevant whether he flopped a set or not.

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