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forepoker

10-02-2009, 01:24 PM Post subject: Hand Feedback

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I am looking for feedback of how I played the hand below. Thanks.

Table 'Vanadis' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: RaimanIA ($4.10 in chips)
Seat 2: zaaitar ($13.14 in chips)
Seat 3: forepoker ($2.95 in chips)
Seat 4: Evangels ($3.20 in chips)
Seat 5: AlexTeslin ($7.06 in chips)
Seat 6: canbbad ($1.07 in chips)
zaaitar: posts small blind $0.02
forepoker: posts big blind $0.05
Evangels: posts big blind $0.05
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to forepoker [Kh Kc]
Evangels: checks
AlexTeslin: folds
canbbad: raises $0.05 to $0.10
RaimanIA: folds
zaaitar: folds
RaimanIA is sitting out
forepoker: raises $0.05 to $0.15
Evangels: folds
canbbad: calls $0.05
*** FLOP *** [4h Tc 6c]
forepoker: bets $0.25
canbbad: calls $0.25
*** TURN *** [4h Tc 6c] [6s]
forepoker: bets $0.25
canbbad: calls $0.25
*** RIVER *** [4h Tc 6c 6s] [2c]
forepoker: checks
canbbad: bets $0.42 and is all-in
forepoker: calls $0.42
*** SHOW DOWN ***
canbbad: shows [Ac Qc] (a flush, Ace high)
forepoker: shows [Kh Kc] (two pair, Kings and Sixes)
canbbad collected $2.11 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2.21 | Rake $0.10
Board [4h Tc 6c 6s 2c]
Seat 1: RaimanIA (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: zaaitar (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: forepoker (big blind) showed [Kh Kc] and lost with two pair, Kings and Sixes
Seat 4: Evangels folded before Flop
Seat 5: AlexTeslin folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: canbbad showed [Ac Qc] and won ($2.11) with a flush, Ace high

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JKDS

10-02-2009, 02:10 PM Post subject: Re: Hand Feedback

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Quote:

Originally Posted by forepoker

forepoker: raises $0.05 to $0.15

explain this plz.

Quote:

Originally Posted by OngBonga

But no, jkds is lolvillager and anyone who wants to string him up is sighbad.

daven

10-02-2009, 02:44 PM

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your pre-flop sizing was horrendous. Raise a lot bigger.
You turn sizing was also terrible, you gave any draw pot-odds to call. You should have bet enough to put villain allin on turn.

don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
allin, reload, repeat

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forepoker

10-02-2009, 03:29 PM

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JKDS...from your reaction it seems that was not a big enough bet? If that is correct what would you bet in this scenario? 5xBB, 6xBB ????

Monty3038

10-02-2009, 03:31 PM

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Pre-flop raise should be 4xbb minimum, your goal here is to both build a pot and potentially isolate a weaker player... and as previously stated, turn bet needed to be much larger, at least 2/3 pot. You gave him the odds, he called and he hit, he played it pretty well.

JKDS

10-02-2009, 03:42 PM

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well consider the following

-villains like calling and do so with a wide range
-villains like to overplay hands like JJ, AK and bet/raise them too much
-villains are often less likely to call post flop if they completely miss

obv these are super generalizations, but if we think about those, then we should be raising an amount thats large enough so that we maximize from these mistakes.

in a more mathy fashion, im saying villain's calling range is wide, and we're often ahead of his 4betting/callshove range, and that at the micros, these ranges arent affected by our bet sizing until we bet an amount greater than b which is opponent dependent.

Almost no opponents change their ranges if b is the minimum bet, so we can bet larger and play against the same range which we have good expectation agaisnt.

considering the above, a 4 or 5xbb raise is waaaay better than a minraise.

optimal size? meh, sort of opponent dependent, and also depends on how we do against different ranges. like, do we get more value from raising to .30 and getting called by A, B, and C or do we get more value from raising to 1.00 and getting called by only A? That kind of thing is too complicated for me atm though.

/ramble too much info.

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But no, jkds is lolvillager and anyone who wants to string him up is sighbad.

JKDS

10-02-2009, 03:43 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Monty3038

Pre-flop raise should be 4xbb minimum, your goal here is to both build a pot and potentially isolate a weaker player.

this too and +1 to turn bet as well.

Quote:

Originally Posted by OngBonga

But no, jkds is lolvillager and anyone who wants to string him up is sighbad.

jyms

10-02-2009, 03:47 PM Post subject: Re: Hand Feedback

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You certainly got away with nobody noticing your stack.

Quote:

Originally Posted by forepoker

I am looking for feedback of how I played the hand below. Thanks.

Table 'Vanadis' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: RaimanIA ($4.10 in chips)
Seat 2: zaaitar ($13.14 in chips)
Seat 3: forepoker ($2.95 in chips) Full stacks please, this is never good for the micro stakes
Seat 4: Evangels ($3.20 in chips)
Seat 5: AlexTeslin ($7.06 in chips)
Seat 6: canbbad ($1.07 in chips)
zaaitar: posts small blind $0.02
forepoker: posts big blind $0.05
Evangels: posts big blind $0.05
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to forepoker [Kh Kc]
Evangels: checks
AlexTeslin: folds
canbbad: raises $0.05 to $0.10
RaimanIA: folds
zaaitar: folds
RaimanIA is sitting out
forepoker: raises $0.05 to $0.15 Raise needs to be much higher, yes 5x to keep all the others from calling with trash. You don't want KK to play 6 handed
Evangels: folds
canbbad: calls $0.05 This is why.
*** FLOP *** [4h Tc 6c]
forepoker: bets $0.25
canbbad: calls $0.25
*** TURN *** [4h Tc 6c] [6s]
forepoker: bets $0.25 If $0.25 is good on the flop, why would it be good on the turn?, pot is $0.80 and villain has $0.67 left, just put it in, why so small?
canbbad: calls $0.25
*** RIVER *** [4h Tc 6c 6s] [2c]
forepoker: checks Why are we checking here?
canbbad: bets $0.42 and is all-in
forepoker: calls $0.42
*** SHOW DOWN ***
canbbad: shows [Ac Qc] (a flush, Ace high)
forepoker: shows [Kh Kc] (two pair, Kings and Sixes)
canbbad collected $2.11 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2.21 | Rake $0.10
Board [4h Tc 6c 6s 2c]
Seat 1: RaimanIA (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: zaaitar (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: forepoker (big blind) showed [Kh Kc] and lost with two pair, Kings and Sixes
Seat 4: Evangels folded before Flop
Seat 5: AlexTeslin folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: canbbad showed [Ac Qc] and won ($2.11) with a flush, Ace high

First off, this is $5NL no? So we need full stacks, $5 always, second, whey did you bet so small on the turn and lastly why are you checking the river after betting two streets?

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Robb

10-05-2009, 04:10 PM Post subject: Re: Hand Feedback

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jyms

First off, this is $5NL no? So we need full stacks, $5 always, second, whey did you bet so small on the turn and lastly why are you checking the river after betting two streets?

The flush doesn't come in until the river. You need to charge on each street. Preflop has been covered. I would be betting at least 2/3's pot on flop and turn. If he'll come along for the ride on the A-high FD, god bless him.

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