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Old 01-22-2008, 09:35 PM     Post subject: Hand Analysis from WPT $500 buy in event #1 (permalink)  

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10 handed blinds at $75-$150
action folds to MP2
MP2 makes it $450 to go w/ about $7500 behind
action folds to SB
SB calls w/ about $6600 behind
BB folds
Flop comes Qd Qc 7c
SB bets $550
MP2 thinks for a little over a minute and raises to $2500
SB almost instantly pushes
MP2 calls and turns over AJc
SB shows KdQh
The turn brings the 9c and no help comes for the SB on the river.

What are people's feelings on this hand? Who did what correctly and who did what incorrectly? I've heard mixed things from people I've talked to personally, and felt the best way to get an overall view on this was to post it on here...
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Old 01-22-2008, 10:36 PM #2 (permalink)  
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The easiest answer here is who was favored after the flop?
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Old 01-22-2008, 10:56 PM #3 (permalink)  
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I would want to be the SB in this situation.
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Old 01-22-2008, 11:06 PM #4 (permalink)  
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MP2 probably felt he priced himself in by raising FD on flop
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Old 01-23-2008, 05:12 PM #5 (permalink)  

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I would want to be the SB in this situation.
I was the SB in this situation... unfortunately it did not work out for me... What I'm still trying to figure out is why MP2 raised me on the flop! I was giving him excellent odds to draw at the nuts... If he just calls me and the turn is a club I would most likely slow down, and almost certainly fold if he were to move in (granted the flush didn't bring me a boat... Some people have told me I should have moved in right away on the flop, but I feel that that would not be a good move at all putting $6,600 in to win about $1000... I most likely would have won the pot, but I still don't think it would have been a good move considering there is no way I could know if he had a flush draw... If he were acting first and had bet say $900 then it might have been the best move to just go all in... thoughts?
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Old 01-23-2008, 05:31 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 This is the same hand as was posted in the high stakes forum, and so I'm sure the answers here will be the same. You, SB, played the hand fine.

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What I'm still trying to figure out is why MP2 raised me on the flop!?
Ofcourse he raised your flop lead. Your range for leading into him on this flop is SOOO much wider than just Qx. You could lead all pairs 22-TT into him on this flop, as well as all flush draws and even bluffs. So he's raising this flop because he raised preflop and is trying to represent strength. He wants to make a better hand fold clearly.

I don't think its surprising at all that he raised this flop, and I would have played the nutflush draw the same.
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Old 01-24-2008, 10:35 AM #7 (permalink)  
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considering there is no way I could know if he had a flush draw...
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What I'm still trying to figure out is why MP2 raised me on the flop! I was giving him excellent odds to draw at the nuts...
Would you say that there is no way your opp could put you on Qx and only Qx?

I dont see anything wrong with the way both players played there hands.
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Old 01-24-2008, 12:46 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Results Oriented. You can't deviate from optimal in retrospect, such as a very dangerous thought that maybe you should have open pushed. Even if he flipped his cards up for you to see, that would be the wrong thing to do. You can't be angry villain played his hand right, considering he sometimes has 15 outs against a range which might wrest his positional advantage. One which includes air and pocket pairs.

Basically he though your range of possible hands was sometimes weak, and perhaps full of shit on occasion, therefore he had no choice with the pot odds presented to stack off.

Sometimes, after getting sucked out in a tournament, I reflect and think silly things like "Maybe I should have told him I had AA, so I could steal the blinds and move past my suckout point. If he only knew he had 2 outs for his stack he might have folded"
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