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BIGandRICH
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06-29-2005, 08:47 AM
Post subject: That guy is Bluffing.
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Flush
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You have AK on the button... flop of 925.. first to act pushes AI, it folds to you.
You've been at the table a while and are 99% sure he is stone cold bluffing on absolutely nothing.
Do any of you make this call?
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villain goes AI
i call with a set (i have him owned)
i win pot
villain: **** this, this site is bullshit, ******* rigged, suck out ****
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Estrop
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Straight
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What if he has a lower pocket? Or a 5 and assumes it's good. Unless you have a very good read. You don't want to call that only to find he is an idiot and has 33. But if you trust your read, go with it 
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BIGandRICH
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Flush
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strange enough he was that much of an idiot to have nothing.. 74o.. but he caught a 4 on the river
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villain goes AI
i call with a set (i have him owned)
i win pot
villain: **** this, this site is bullshit, ******* rigged, suck out ****
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DimitriT
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Full House
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I almost never make this call. I want to be the aggressor. I don't play to other's aggression unless I have a strong made hand.
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a500lbgorilla
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06-29-2005, 01:28 PM
Post subject: Re: That guy is Bluffing.
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JESUS TAKE THE KEYBOARD
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Originally Posted by BIGandRICH
You have AK on the button... flop of 925.. first to act pushes AI, it folds to you.
You've been at the table a while and are 99% sure he is stone cold bluffing on absolutely nothing.
Do any of you make this call?
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If I could be 99% sure about anything at the poker table, I'd run with it.
-'rilla
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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ilikeaces86
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06-29-2005, 01:29 PM
Post subject: Re: That guy is Bluffing.
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
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Originally Posted by BIGandRICH
You have AK on the button... flop of 925.. first to act pushes AI, it folds to you.
You've been at the table a while and are 99% sure he is stone cold bluffing on absolutely nothing.
Do any of you make this call?
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If I could be 99% sure about anything at the poker table, I'd run with it.
-'rilla |
WTF did u do with my AA hand thread in high stakes??
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a500lbgorilla
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I didn't do anything?
-'rilla
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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ilikeaces86
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
I didn't do anything?
-'rilla
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It dissapeared.
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a500lbgorilla
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Originally Posted by ilikeaces86
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
I didn't do anything?
-'rilla
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It dissapeared. |
I still see it. The preflop AA hand which splintered into "How much to reraise with AA" convo breifly?
-'rilla
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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a500lbgorilla
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http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ic.php?t=14191
-'rilla
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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Toasty
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I'd never call with Ace high in this situation as your opp sounds so bad you are bound to get an easier oportunity than this to get his money. For SNG or MTT its a 100% fold even with this knoledge unless you were in rebuy period.
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Estrop
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Lol this thread was hijacked. Anyway, even if you know he has nothing, you'd be gambling by calling his all in as he could hit, like he did. Why risk it when you could look for a better spot to bust him?
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bair
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Full House
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you werent that favored, you have better places to put your chips. you'd actually rather him have a decent hand that way you are at least sharing an ace or a king. wait for a mid-high pocket pair
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Bmxicle
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06-29-2005, 09:53 PM
Post subject: Re: That guy is Bluffing.
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Full House
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
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Originally Posted by BIGandRICH
You have AK on the button... flop of 925.. first to act pushes AI, it folds to you.
You've been at the table a while and are 99% sure he is stone cold bluffing on absolutely nothing.
Do any of you make this call?
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If I could be 99% sure about anything at the poker table, I'd run with it.
-'rilla |
beat me to it. I call every time where i win 99% of the time, it would be silly not to. It is also silly to be 99% sure that someone is bluffing.
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journey075
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Originally Posted by bair
you werent that favored, you have better places to put your chips. you'd actually rather him have a decent hand that way you are at least sharing an ace or a king. wait for a mid-high pocket pair
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thats silly. hes over 70% favorite, not quite sure what kinda odds youre waiting for.
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straight167
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im assuming that player was on a flush or straight draw...
basically...it would be a semi-bluff. When dumb players actually make their hand....they look even more stupid. When good player actually make their semi-bluff hand....actually they dont have to make the hand 
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ChezJ
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i can't believe nobody has asked how much was in the pot before the all-in occurred. i would think that if it was a small pot, you should let him steal and wait for a spot where you can pwn him good. calling to get slightly over 1:1 on your money isn't a great payout. i would only consider calling if the pot was huge before the all-in, producing a 1.5:1 or greater payout.
ChezJ
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a500lbgorilla
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Originally Posted by ChezJ
i can't believe nobody has asked how much was in the pot before the all-in occurred. i would think that if it was a small pot, you should let him steal and wait for a spot where you can pwn him good. calling to get slightly over 1:1 on your money isn't a great payout. i would only consider calling if the pot was huge before the all-in, producing a 1.5:1 or greater payout.
ChezJ
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But if he's 99% sure he's a 70% favorite, pot size isnt important. I'm assuming 99% is accurate, and it's not actually something like 75% but i'm really, really, sure.
-'rilla
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BIGandRICH
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i was insanely sure.. i wouldve been amazed if he'd turned over something better than th 74
the pot was, well.. no where near as big a payout as chezj suggested.. but it wasnt 1:1.. nearly 2:1
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villain goes AI
i call with a set (i have him owned)
i win pot
villain: **** this, this site is bullshit, ******* rigged, suck out ****
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IowaSkinsFan
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If you are that sure you make the call, I tend to make a lot of money off of people who do stone cold bluffs.
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MidgetWithGuns
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07-04-2005, 11:42 AM
Post subject: ..no point to it
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why call?...seems to me its just a coinflip call....Id wait until I felt like I had a better shot then a 50/50 gamble.... no point getting to involved with one hand if youre not certain, there will be another hand. And since this player is stupid enough to make big bluffs like that, just wait until youre holding bigger than high cards
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a500lbgorilla
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07-04-2005, 02:13 PM
Post subject: Re: ..no point to it
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Originally Posted by MidgetWithGuns
why call?...seems to me its just a coinflip call....Id wait until I felt like I had a better shot then a 50/50 gamble.... no point getting to involved with one hand if youre not certain, there will be another hand. And since this player is stupid enough to make big bluffs like that, just wait until youre holding bigger than high cards |
He's a 3:1 favorite vrs a pure bluff. That's unlike any coin I know of.
-'rilla
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Element187
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fold.. who cares if he's bluffing, wait til you hit something and take his stack.
i find this so funny, you think someone is bluffing you call him with ace high to play sheriff and wonder why you lose money.
i agree with dimitri here .. you want to be the one pushing all in.. not calling all in's with ace high.
i've been able to make the read and the call in the past, but the hand played out until the river before i made my decision to call an all in with ace high.
but thats the hardest call to make, i still need alot more practice before i'm that good to trust it.
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Well if you're 99% sure, then go with it. But of course you're probably only right say 80% of the time even when you're 99% sure.
80% of 70% is still 56%
so if you're that sure, make the call
no matter what the pot size is
even if he has you beat, you can outdraw him
so you're going to win more than 60% of the time when you make that call
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