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Gus Hansen " Part of my strategy is that my opponents know i will always call " anyone have any views on this theory?
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martindcx1e
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isn't he supposed to be writing a book?
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Wikipedia is the best thing ever. Anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject. So you know you are getting the best possible information.
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His theory in a nutshell, GAMBOOOOOOOOOOOL.
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i thought this was going to be a gotti post
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isn't he supposed to be writing a book?
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Originally Posted by AHiltz
His theory in a nutshell, GAMBOOOOOOOOOOOL.
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I think it's more like
1. Pick up a million small pots and build a stack.
2. With said stack, GAMBOOOOOOOOOOOL. (with other people's money).
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he claims his game is extremely mathematical
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Wikipedia is the best thing ever. Anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject. So you know you are getting the best possible information.
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doesnt sound like it would work well in ring.
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Exactly. It is a known fact that in the ring games Gus is the live one.
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I agree it sounds a little daft. I have heard that Gus struggles for consistency in the high stakes ring games but his No - Limit tournament play is second to none. I think his strategy does have some value as his opponents are much less likely to bluff him. Lets face it, if we didnt get bluffed as much, are bankroll would increase. The reason why he is able to implement this strategy so well in tournaments is that he is an outstanding post flop player.
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Originally Posted by Blinky
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Originally Posted by AHiltz
His theory in a nutshell, GAMBOOOOOOOOOOOL.
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I think it's more like
1. Pick up a million small pots and build a stack.
2. With said stack, GAMBOOOOOOOOOOOL. (with other people's money). |
Wouldnt that make him a Brunsonite? Isnt that doyles theory in a nutshell?
And also regarding the original statement ("Other players know I will always call"): that strategy sounds insane.
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Think about it, people are not going to bluff Gus Hansen, he obviously doesnt call all the time but he will call more often then most people, he plays the game way beyond his time and in a way a little bit like Stu Unger, If Unger even thought for a minute he had you beat he would call, im talking mainly about bets on the river
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stu ungar had a reading ability, gus is a calling station.
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stu ungar had a reading ability, gus is a RICH calling station.
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>3
this is my favourite part of the post
it looks like angry boobs
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all the wannabe gus hansen's i ever played with got wtfpwned.
obviously this book is going to be great for the fish
Please stock it stars fpp shop!
kthx.
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Gus Hansen's theory of NL Holdem = lose your tourney winnings at high-stakes cash games.
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Gus Hansen's theory of NL Holdem = lose your tourney winnings at high-stakes cash games.
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except when you 1-out daniel negreanu and get that calling station to pay you off.
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Wikipedia is the best thing ever. Anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject. So you know you are getting the best possible information.
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09-22-2006, 11:57 AM
Post subject: Re: Gus Hansen's theory of NL Holdem
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Originally Posted by dioufy77
Gus Hansen " Part of my strategy is that my opponents know i will always call " anyone have any views on this theory?
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Well, that might make sense. The bluffing frequencies of his opponents go way down vs. him so that makes them easier to read (especially the fish or just the semi-decent players who have trouble adapting to his game).
On the other hand, he does have FE himself if he's bluffing. They're less likely to play back at them without a hand since they know (or think they know) he won't give up.
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09-22-2006, 04:38 PM
Post subject: Re: Gus Hansen's theory of NL Holdem
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Originally Posted by dioufy77
Gus Hansen " Part of my strategy is that my opponents know i will always call " anyone have any views on this theory?
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Well, that might make sense. The bluffing frequencies of his opponents go way down vs. him so that makes them easier to read (especially the fish or just the semi-decent players who have trouble adapting to his game).
On the other hand, he does have FE himself if he's bluffing. They're less likely to play back at them without a hand since they know (or think they know) he won't give up. |
Yeah that's what I like about his play. He makes it's so his opponents are stuck actually playing their cards against him as he can have any two and will not fold to bluffs very often. This makes him awkward to play against and read. He's not as good at a lot of aspects of the game as other players but he brings them into his house and that gives him a nice edge.
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Personally Gus' theory makes some sense but it must come with a rather good reading ability as well.
Many times you will see Gus play a hand to the turn or river...He will sense the hand and then play accordingly. Often he does call not because he thinks he's ahead but because he's getting information as well as reinforcing himself as a caller. The absolute horror for players though is when Gus senses their hand on the turn and then either bluffs them right to that uncomfortable level or plays his strong hand into them because he knows they're strong enough to take the bet.
Basically Gus attacks players on the hardest street to play in HoldEm. More value gets missed and more fold equity gets lost by players who incorrectly play in Gus' hunting ground...The Turn.
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Superb play sir...I always call 20% of my stack off with a gutshot draw. Excuse me while I race for my wallet.
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His theory is correct for SuperLagg play. No one will play back at someone with a bad hand if they know they are going to get called down anyway. Therefore, Gus makes the opponent play straightforwardly against him.
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I Play exactly like Gus Hansen in tournaments. Look me up sometime on FullTilt, and you'll see. I'm taggy/laggy at cash game, but it's on a whole different loose aggressive level in tournaments. I'm going big or going home, and then when I get big I'm punishing the table like no tomorrow.
For all of his faults, our old friend Rypptide was aware of something very valuable in the MTT world. Those who build a stack early and use it in the right spots will make a lot of final tables. It's just something that is compatible with escalating blinds. Tournaments are a ladder. Chips are the currency to purchase the next rung up.
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It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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dioufy77
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finally some intelligent responses to my topic. It took about ten posts to start getting some proper critical analysis of Gus's play! really liked the opinion that most value is lost in Holdem on the turn and the river! makes you think!
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Gus Hansen dont gamble, he knows when to fold. That he is a callingstation can he seem to be, but he isnt, what he is doing is picking reads on opponents to make a stop-n-go a lot on the turn if he sence weakness. He is picking up all the pots where ppl hope just to check down on the river to see who wins, because they feel bad in some way about their hand.
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you guys are missing the point. his strategy revolves around people knowing he will call...that doesnt mean he calls alot.
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you guys are missing the point. his strategy revolves around people knowing he will call...that doesnt mean he calls alot.
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Nonsence.
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you guys are missing the point. his strategy revolves around people knowing he will call...that doesnt mean he calls alot.
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This post got me thinking. Does anyone think that Gus, or any other pro for that matter, plays differently when they are on TV in order to build an image?
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Originally Posted by gabe
you guys are missing the point. his strategy revolves around people knowing he will call...that doesnt mean he calls alot.
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This post got me thinking. Does anyone think that Gus, or any other pro for that matter, plays differently when they are on TV in order to build an image? |
Nope, I dont think so, some may but others dont. I played once at Casino Copenhagen in a tournament where Gus Hansen also played and he seems to play like on Tv, no diffrent, but I think he was more tight, or maybe its just because we only see a sample of hands on Tv 
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the tv editors definately try to edit their shows in a way so the viewers get what they expect from the better known pros:
- you will see some bad beats Phil Helmuth got, and him ticking out
- you will see Gus Hanson making insanely aggressive/loose plays
- you will see Samy Farha gambling with crap
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the tv editors definately try to edit their shows in a way so the viewers get what they expect from the better known pros:
- you will see some bad beats Phil Helmuth got, and him ticking out
- you will see Gus Hanson making insanely aggressive/loose plays
- you will see Samy Farha gambling with crap
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I dont think they gamble to make ppl out there to get more value for their TV licence, its the real thing, but ofcourse someone at the table might make some crazy plays to make all ppl over the world think they are crazy. One of the most annoying players I ever have seen is the "UMA BOMBER" or whatever his nickname was, over reacting at the table and making a lot of really stupid plays and a show for the public rolling on the floor and really being like a 7 year boy with too much energy.
Ofcourse the TV editors are showing the funny parts, its not funny to watch ppl steal blinds and only the most solid hands that play for themselves.
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A little question sparked by this quote, this means people won't bluff Gus, but is that a good thing? so we want people bluffing us? if you could choose for people to never bluff you again would you say yes?
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if you could choose for people to never bluff you again would you say yes?
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In terms of making money, I think that would be a great thing. I don't think bluffs represent a very big part of my income, because they're not always easy to spot (therefore I'm not calling them), they're making me dump a lot of pots, and I end up paying off good hands at times.
In terms of the game, that would probably make it pretty boring. Unless the thrill of money being slid your way is enough to make up for mindless poker.
In my case? I'd take no more bluffing in a heartbeat.
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The "theory" presented in the OP is retarded. Basically all it means is that Gus is more than likely to float/peel without odds against flop c-bets. Saying he "will always call" is ridiculous because he plays a lot of rags and calling a river bet with, say, T7 unimproved, has no merit whatsoever 99.9% of the time.
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Gus Hansen is a great player. He knows exactly what he's doing and he knows all the maths in poker. He appreciates 1.5to1 odds are quite a lot whereas most poker players will throw there hand away immediately with a lot of hands. But he'll call with a lot more hands.
Gus is a much better player than anyone at this site will ever be. And we all know it
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Gus is a much better player than anyone at this site will ever be. And we all know it
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thats where youre wrong
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Gus Hansen is a great player. He knows exactly what he's doing and he knows all the maths in poker. He appreciates 1.5to1 odds are quite a lot whereas most poker players will throw there hand away immediately with a lot of hands. But he'll call with a lot more hands.
Gus is a much better player than anyone at this site will ever be. And we all know it
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My bankroll is the amount of money I would spend or lose before I got a job. It is calculated by adding my net worth to whatever I can borrow.
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Gus is a much better player than anyone at this site will ever be. And we all know it
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Wrong, the majority of name pros are fish when they get online and play high-stakes NL cash games, and Gus Hansen is no exception. I don't think anyone on this particular website plays in those games, but there are at least a dozen 2+2ers who kick Gus Hansen's ass on a regular basis at NLHE.
Just because someone has been on TV doesn't mean he's better than an online player.
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. He appreciates 1.5to1 odds are quite a lot whereas most poker players will throw there hand away immediately with a lot of hands.
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When it comes to pure odds is good ole tight Harrington any different?
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he claims his game is extremely mathematical
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CHIPS + SHOVE + FOLD = WINNAGE
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Originally Posted by martindcx1e
he claims his game is extremely mathematical
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CHIPS + SHOVE + FOLD = WINNAGE |
good math
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