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First off, thanks to Stacks and Sasquatch for the recent free-GS-membership tournament! We've awarded all but one of the prize memberships (as we're still awaiting final word on the last one).
Now then, some updates. Unfortunately, another of our instructors retired. Da Goat landed a gig as a semi-pro basketball player, so unless/until things calm down from that, we won't see much of him.
As always, the loss of one instructor means the introduction of another. We're very happy to have Peter "Marshall28" Jennings join us as a 6-max instructor. Peter has been successful at the tables playing up to $600nl, and his achievements away from the tables are equally impressive: articles published in 2+2 Magazine and videos released for Card Runners. We're delighted to have Peter on the team, and equally delighted that he's offering coaching packages with rates as low as $75 per hour.
To hear more about Peter, check out Episode 19 of the free Grinderschool Poker Podcast.
The other major update is that our former instructor, AAPoker, is returning to Grinderschool to do a series of videos reviewing his $100k score in the Full Tilt $750k Sunday Major. These videos will be released every other week, starting this week. In the off weeks, we will release Fjuanl's How to Master MTTs series.
Finally, we are still about halfway through CodeRed's How to Master Full Ring series - which despite its title is actually information relevant to any cash game player.
Cheers,
Jeffrey "JGB146" Blake
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I recently have joined Grinder School. I am loving it!! Great info at an amazing price.
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Sugar Nut is back!
Many present and former members of GS have missed Sugar Nut in his absence that started last June. No more! He has returned, ready to shake things up and dig in to providing more insight to his students.
To hear more about what happened and where Sugar Nut has been, check out the free download of GS Podcast #22. Incidentally, #22 is the last podcast of the 2009 season. We're taking a break for the holidays, but will be back with more come 2010.
One other tidbit that may interest people here at FTR (perhaps even non-BC members): GS instructor Marshall28 has decided to run a special for 1-on-1 coaching through the end of 2009. Normally his rates for individual 1-hour sessions are $100, but for the rest of the year, he will provide GS and FTR members coaching at a rate of only $75 per hour. Marshall28 is a winning player up through $600nl 6-man and $400nl HU/FR, and moreover, he's very interested in passing on his knowledge to others who may benefit. Contact him via email at Marshall28@grinderschool.com
Cheers,
Jeffrey "JGB146" Blake
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More Marshall28 Videos!
We've got more than a few Marshall28 6 max videos waiting to be released; the latest ones will be from 600nl 6 max and is a two-part series. These 2 videos will become the highest-stake videos on the site and should be a good change of the mix from other videos that we release.
Also, today we've released the first video of long-time FTR member TLR so if you are an SNG player you better check him (and other FTRer Nakamura) out!
We at Grinderschool wish everyone in the US a Happy Thanksgiving! The 'official' Grinderschool.com Turkey Recipe may or may not follow .
Sincerely,
Jeff "CodeRedRulez" Lipsey
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500th Video!
With the release of Marshall005 today, Grinderschool has just released its 500th video! We know that 500 videos is a lot and for new members who are just starting out a common question is 'where do I start?' In honor of our 500th video, we're going to be re-releasing videos that have been influential to the growth of our site and our members over the past two years. Every Saturday, I'll create a new thread for discussion on the video with links to the old release. This will not detract from the 5 videos/week that we're currently releasing while the length of this program is still up in the air.
We're going to start it this Saturday so keep an eye out. Thanks again!
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Hi guys,
I've got a few updates for you about the latest developments at GS. First off, we've brought in a few more part-time instructors, but this time it's not to replace anyone we had previously. Instead, they are joining the site to expand our content-base. Here's a summary of who is joining:
Covering Pot Limit Omaha will be MrPadawan who is well qualified to beat 200 PLO and lower. For all HORSE games, including Limit Hold'em, Limit Omaha High/Low, Razz, Stud High and Stud High/Low is Sol Reader. And finally Grinderschool's new Heads-up specialist is Frank the Tank.
The other major thing I'd like to announce is a new article written by one of our Senior Members. DoanDiggy wrote a comprehensive guide on how to use virtually every feature available in Poker Stove. There's a lot of things I didn't even know it could do! This article is free to everyone - just click the articles link in the navigation bar at the top of the page.
Cheers and good luck going forward in 2010!
Jeffrey "JGB146" Blake
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Is it possible to watch the movies on your handheld?
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Each of our 525+ videos is available for subscribers to download in WMV and FLV formats, with no DRM. If your handheld supports these file types, then you're good to go. If not, it require conversion into a format that your device supports, but there are a number of free tools available (just check google) to do this conversion when needed.
Thanks,
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Update!
We're releasing Two Rush Poker videos this week on Full Tilt. One is from Marshall28 4 tabling 6-max and another by KillsAids for Full Ring. Also, our first episode of the 2010 Podcast Season is on Sunday and JGB, myself and instructor SugarNut talk about a potentially controversial strategy regarding a pre-flop play but you'll have to listen to find out.
It will be available for free both on the Grinderschool site and Itunes starting Sunday.
Jeff "CodeRedRulez" Lipsey
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Due to the continued support of all our subscribers, Grinderschool would like to officially announce that it will begin daily video releases starting March 1st.
So instead of the current 20 videos being released, Grinderschool will release 31 videos in March; that's a 50% increase in content for the same low price!
Keep in mind this is a big step in keeping Grinderschool as the #1 provider of videos for Small and Micro Stakes content and we are doing everything we can behind the scenes to make this place as awesome as possible.
Jeff "CodeRedRulez" Lipsey
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one question, are you planning on accepting payments via Pokerstar? I think it's really easy to do (just create an account) and it's a really easy/fast way to subscribe !
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If you follow the advice given in the forums and videos while developing your skills, then I'm certain your Grinderschool Subscription will be well worth the cost.
Measuring how much money you make off the advice given to you here on FTR, Grinderschool, or anywhere for that matter depends on the effort you're willing to put in to improving your game and the quality of content given. I'm certain Grinderschool videos have the quality needed to improve your game.
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Officially, it is against Poker Star's Terms of Service to receive money for this purpose. So no, we do not have an official account to receive money from Poker Stars.
If they ever change their terms of service though then we will certainly make the announcement that we'll be able to accept funds on there.
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Hey Guys!
Ready for some updates? We've had several new changes in the past month that will sure to be of some interest to you all.
For you MTT players out there, our new instructor PiRaToS14 has been a valued member on the GS Forums for 2 years and has been absolutely crushing the small stakes MTT games this year. He's also going to be in this Sunday's Podcast after winning last week's Grinderschool Tournament Series Pot Limit Omaha Event.
Our other new instructor is a solid FTR Regular: Micro2Macro. He will be releasing videos in full ring cash games and has loads of excellent advice to give players with big hearts but small bankrolls.
We've also recently released a hand history converter (still in beta) AND a new and improved Grinderschool Calendar so you can see all the videos we plan on releasing in the next 4-6 weeks. We try and answer all requests and suggestions for our daily video releases.
Otherwise I'm around FTR every day if you guys have questions or comments post here, PM me or ship me an email and I'll answer your question ASAP.
Jeff "CodeRedRulez" Lipsey
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Hi guys,
It's time for another update on everyone's favorite low stakes training site, Grinderschool.com. The first thing I want to mention is our May promotion. It's a buy-one, get-one-free offer for our full stakes one-month membership. Everyone who purchases a one month full subscription during May will receive an extra month. That means $19.99 gets you two months of access. It's open to anyone and open for unlimited use (i.e. if you want to add two months to your existing subscription for $19.99, you can)!
Another tidbit recently came to our attention: Apparently, we're number one in offerings of Full Ring videos from any training site. With nearly 150 FR videos, we even have Card Runners and Deuces Cracked beat. I guess the little guy really can hang.
Perhaps more important than our existing library though, is what we have going on for the future. We will continue to release a new training video every single day for the foreseeable future. Better still, we are expanding our How To Master offerings. Many have loved the content for Full Ring, 6-max, SNGs, and MTTs. As of May, we will have two more HTM series running, delving into the vital skills and knowledge for Pot Limit Omaha and for Heads-Up NLHE.
If you have any questions or concerns about anything Grinderschool related, I'm available by pm, or by email at admin@grinderschool.com
Cheers!
Jeffrey "JGB146" Blake
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How to Master PLO and HUNLHE is going to be the shizzle. I iz quite the excited.
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I just previewed the first lecture for HU NLHE and I'm pretty impressed. I'll be working with MrPadawan to finalize the second lecture for PLO quite soon too.
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2.5 months since our last update seems way too long. I apologize for not getting back sooner to update you all.
First off, we're back at #1 in the Full Ring No Limit Hold'em Videos content, not just including small and micro stakes. 163 Videos before today's release and we've got content from several solid FTR regulars. In fact, we have just added Badgers on to our already talent-heavy Full Ring NLHE staff.
Also new to Grinderschool is well-known FTRer D0zer, who goes by the screennames ge00 across several sites. He will be creating 6-max content for Grinderschool and I expect great videos to come from his hard work.
One of our SNG instructors, Piratos14, has just given me the first part to How to Master Multi-Table SNGs. That is on top of the HTM HU and HTM PLO series that Grinderschool is already in the middle of releasing.
By the end of this week we will have over 700 videos in our database, including over 30 bi-weekly podcasts that are available to download free on iTunes.
Don't have the bankroll to pay more than $10/month to view videos? Not a problem. At that price you can watch 170 of our Poker Videos ranging in variety of cash (71 Videos), SNGs (24), and MTTs (65).
Finally, I personally view every thread to make sure that a quality response has been made, if not by one of our many instructors but then by our knowledgeable senior members. I take every complaint personally and will do all that I can to make things right.
Anyway thanks for giving me your time and hope to see you again soon.
Jeff "CodeRedRulez" Lipsey
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I want to post as apology in case anyone tried to check us out after CodeRed's post yesterday. We've been experiencing some technical issues, but they are resolved now. Details are below:
In true Murphy's law fashion, we just finished one of the worst 24 hour periods. Last week, our backup server cancelled our account. Apparently they revised their Terms of Service and it became a violation to have 300Gb of video, even if you own the copyright. No big deal though, that was only in place in case of an issue on the main site, and it has been a year since we had any issue with storage on our primary server...
Then, shortly after CodeRed made his post yesterday, our hosts had the kindness to temporarily shut off our main site while completing a move to a larger server. Their system saw that the transfer was 90% complete, so it issued these changes automatically, expecting it to be a few minutes, or an hour at most. However, 10% of 300GB takes a lot longer to finish up than they had accounted for, so instead of an hour of down-time, we were down for almost a full day.
Everything is up again now. We have found another back up server, and will be getting things set up there as quickly as possible to mitigate against any future issues, though we don't expect any problems anytime soon.
All active members received an extra day added for free to their existing subscription.
Regards,
Jeffrey "JGB146" Blake
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In the month of December, Grinderschool has 3 promotions running:
4 for 3 Promotion
During the entire month of December, any person who subscribes to a 3-month Grinderschool Membership will receive a fourth month for free. To receive this offer, go to our Subscribe page and choose the method of payment.
If paying by PayPal, click the "Subscribe Now" button next to the 4-month option; after filling out the required information for PayPal please remember to fill out the application when complete. Failure to do so will delay our effort to provide you with our library of over 800 videos.
If you are paying by Full Tilt or MoneyBookers, please fill out the form on the Subscribe page and do not forget to send money to JGB146 on Full Tilt or admin@grinderschool.com on MoneyBookers. Unfortunately we are not able to directly take the funds from your account so you must personally send us the payment.
Most Valuable Poster gets free 3-months Membership
Become the Most Valuable Poster between now and December 31st to win a 3-month full stakes subscription. The Grinderschool Admins will choose the top 5 posters during the month and will leave it up to the Grinderschool Subscribers to determine who really is the MVP for the month of December.
Even if you're not an experienced grinder, that does not mean you can't win. Asking the right questions and participating on a daily basis will all be part of the determining factors of the final decision, not just number of posts and word count.
Create a Youtube Video to qualify for free 3-months Membership
Record a video today and upload it to YouTube. The subscriber with the most views will receive a free 3-month Full Stakes Subscription to Grinderschool.
The video can't be just about anything: It must be poker related. It also must feature a Grinderschool Background AND you must mention Grinderschool in the video itself.
For more information check out our Grinderschool YouTube Thread.
I hope everyone enjoys their holidays and spend time with their close friends and family.
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Just a quick question, I see on your site in the "tools" section that you link to software such as Poker-Edge and to hand histories resellers.
Please understand that I am not hostile to your business, but I find it a bit questionable to see you linking your users to tools that would lead them to blatantly violate the terms and conditions of the main poker rooms.
Should we assume that most players who have been through your training use these tools on your recommendation?
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Yes, our forum is private to subscribers only.
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Just a quick question, I see on your site in the "tools" section that you link to software such as Poker-Edge and to hand histories resellers.
Please understand that I am not hostile to your business, but I find it a bit questionable to see you linking your users to tools that would lead them to blatantly violate the terms and conditions of the main poker rooms.
Should we assume that most players that have been through your training use these tools on your recommendation?
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One of the things about poker is that there is a hell of a lot of gray area involved and nothing is ever as black and white as it seems. That said we are well aware of the top two sites ToS and their restrictions on use of this software.
There are also, however, several sites out there that are just scammy and don't provide much value at all for the money you have to pay for them. An $80 Odds Calculator is the one that comes to my mind and someone just starting out is more willing to splurge on these services thinking they are what is keeping them from winning. We link to sites that we know are honest and provide a good service and product. Poker-Edge has been around forever and PTR boasts thousands of members who already use their product; HandHQ is just a small operation which has been around a while as well. We have to use PTR/Sharkscope to verify our instructor's stats so we can provide our subscribers with solid winning players too.
We try to preface our recommendation saying that its against the ToS of the poker sites, but IF you're going to do it then you should use these sites since they are known to be reputable and you're not going to get ripped off. It very much reminds of the whole abstinence/condom issue to teenagers where its like "we don't think you should have sex but if you do here are condoms because getting pregnant sucks."
Getting ripped off sucks as I've had several students spend a bunch of money on crappy software such as $80 poker calculators and I feel bad for them, because they only have $500 in their bankrolls.
Hope this answers your question,
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This is pretty cool and just happened in the past few days: Grinderschool just added two new SNG instructors each with Sharkscope Stars in the areas where they will be releasing videos.
The first instructor is Live Forever and goes by L1ve Forever on Poker Stars. He has a sharkscope star in the 6-max Turbos and will be releasing videos in that area.
The second instructor is Ghost and goes by Ben908 on Poker Stars. He has a sharkscope star in the $2-$5 regular speed SNGs and will be releasing micro-stakes SNG videos for Grinderschool.
Combined with Reasons14 and Piratos14, Grinderschool now has 4 SNG instructors with Sharkscope stars, so you know you're getting quality content by players who crush the games.
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ok, i have only respect for what i have seen until now from grinderschool. Their product seems to be high quality and well priced, although their existence is obviously -ve EV for the average FTR forum user who chooses not to join up, e.g. the establishment of grinderschool has lead to far less frequent posts in the BC and elsewhere on FTR as the ex-FTR GS instructors (mostly) post a lot less frequently in the BC than they used to before joining this company - maybe because they are instead posting for GS (in some senses 'the competition').
but, seriously, wtf?!
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One of the things about poker is that there is a hell of a lot of gray area involved and nothing is ever as black and white as it seems. That said we are well aware of the top two sites ToS and their restrictions on use of this software.
We link to sites that we know are honest and provide a good service and product. Poker-Edge has been around forever and PTR boasts thousands of cheats who already use their product;
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why not link to sites that sell bots
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Plus the coaching prices were upped once some moved over there.
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Coaching prices are set by the coach not by GS, unlike some training sites and coaching services GS does not take a cut.
I would expect better instructors to have higher hourly rates and thus have to charge more for coaching.
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I have nothing more to say about the matter. Grinderschool hosts quality videos made by quality instructors and what our subscribers choose to do on their own time is their own business.
We are not the internet police; we merely point out reputable sites and software with a great track record.
Please remove my "quote" from your signature since I did not say those words and it is libel. See definition of Libel from Wikipedia:
[Libel] is the communication of a statement that makes a claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individual, business, product, group, government, or nation a negative image. It is usually a requirement that this claim be false and that the publication is communicated to someone other than the person defamed
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If you get FTR to take down its referral link to Poker Edge on this page:
Poker Tools - Free Online Poker Tools & Poker Tool Recommendations
Then I will do the same and I will remove the other two sites as well.
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Please remove my "quote" from your signature since I did not say those words and it is libel.
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done, that was a little inflammatory i agree, but tongue was also in cheek and i didn't realise it would be that upsetting for you. Fair enough, i guess conscience gets in between tongue and cheek sometimes...
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kmind
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Coaching prices are set by the coach not by GS, unlike some training sites and coaching services GS does not take a cut.
I would expect better instructors to have higher hourly rates and thus have to charge more for coaching.
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Hmm not what I was told by a GS coach but it's all good.
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daven
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lol, why would you do this if you consider there to be no ethical or moral problems with hosting links to these sites on GS?
interesting... anyway, i'm done on this too.
also, please note that this isn't a personal attack on you, nor GrinderSchool. I stand by my previous comment that your site is probably the best value for money micro-vid/training site around. It's a shame the site supports PTR etc. But, as you say, we're not the internet police (that's US intel, imagine what would happen if you posted constantly updating links to wikileaks )
I am fairly strongly opposed to PTR, as well as anything that supports PTR.
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daven
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Quote:
Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
Coaching prices are set by the coach not by GS, unlike some training sites and coaching services GS does not take a cut.
I would expect better instructors to have higher hourly rates and thus have to charge more for coaching.
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Originally Posted by kmind
Hmm not what I was told by a GS coach but it's all good.
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i'm guessing mis-communication or mis-understanding somewhere along the way..
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elipsesjeff
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Depends on which part he was referring to; we don't take a cut on coaching but I do make recommendations on suggested pricing.
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Check out my videos at Grinderschool.com
More Full Ring NLHE Cash videos than ANY other poker training site. Training starts at $10/month.
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kmind
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Yeah sorry he just said he was recommended to up the pricing.
GRINDERSCHOOL IS AWESOME! I really hope no one takes what I said the wrong way. I really like the site.
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Carroters
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Coaching prices now $85,000 per hour, they made me do it 
In seriousness, not to mention any names, but there's defo coaches on more expensive more well known sites that are pretty awful compared to some GS guys. This is prolly because a lot of GS is bred from FTR talent and as we all know FTR is awesome, and I'm pretty damn proud to be a part of FTR.
*Sings national anthem of FTR*
I see GS and FTR as two sites that work together in a linked community achieving different things. If I'm one of those aformentioned guys that posts less here now, I can assure you it's not because grinder school takes up my time, it's because my life is a clusterfuck!
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If a GrinderSchool client was banned from a poker site for the use of products that GrinderSchool recommends, what would your play be?
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
Coaching prices are set by the coach not by GS, unlike some training sites and coaching services GS does not take a cut.
I would expect better instructors to have higher hourly rates and thus have to charge more for coaching.
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it's not just relative to hourly rate, but rather supply and demand.
a coach can only take on so many students within a certain time frame and when he's overwhelmed with people wanting coaching the most effective and economical way to alter demand to a more sustainable level is to increase the price.
since everyone seems to want coaching from carroters, its only natural the cost of his service goes up. since no one wants coaching from m2m, my rates are still lower than anyone else of near equivalent caliber on the entire internet. either way you will all be sorry when I beat carroters in the unofficial race to $200/$400 unlimited and when I have to charge $42,500 an hour for a lesson ya'll wish you'd have acted sooner
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"Once we reach a certain level of mastery, we see there are higher levels and challenges. If we are disciplined and patient, we proceed. At each higher level, new pleasures and insights await us--ones not even suspected when we started out. We can take this as far as we want--in any human activity there is always a higher level to which we can aspire."
Check out my blog here!
"You are a degenerate Gaam-balur"
http://www.philgalfond.com/lets-make-some-changes/
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I'd say that's more of a reflection of 6max having a cooler rep than nitring than anything else.
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* dranger smells like bum piss and dog shit all over down there
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Micro2Macro
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heh, ive been playing some 6max as of late :P
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"Once we reach a certain level of mastery, we see there are higher levels and challenges. If we are disciplined and patient, we proceed. At each higher level, new pleasures and insights await us--ones not even suspected when we started out. We can take this as far as we want--in any human activity there is always a higher level to which we can aspire."
Check out my blog here!
"You are a degenerate Gaam-balur"
http://www.philgalfond.com/lets-make-some-changes/
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daven
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If a GrinderSchool client was banned from a poker site for the use of products that GrinderSchool recommends, what would your play be?
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+1
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kmind
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Originally Posted by Micro2Macro
heh, ive been playing some 6max as of late :P
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How's that going?
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Micro2Macro
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How's that going?
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its fun. on average the regs seem more into warring than at FR.
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"Once we reach a certain level of mastery, we see there are higher levels and challenges. If we are disciplined and patient, we proceed. At each higher level, new pleasures and insights await us--ones not even suspected when we started out. We can take this as far as we want--in any human activity there is always a higher level to which we can aspire."
Check out my blog here!
"You are a degenerate Gaam-balur"
http://www.philgalfond.com/lets-make-some-changes/
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Jus remember guys, if M2M pwns pokers before I do, it'll only be because I gave my life for you all; sacrificed my own dreams to make true yours; limited myself so that your limitations could be removed; drank from the muddy river so that your wells may always pump fresh water; knocked down my house to free up the bricks for you to build your own...etc
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Micro2Macro
it's not just relative to hourly rate, but rather supply and demand.
a coach can only take on so many students within a certain time frame and when he's overwhelmed with people wanting coaching the most effective and economical way to alter demand to a more sustainable level is to increase the price.
since everyone seems to want coaching from carroters, its only natural the cost of his service goes up. since no one wants coaching from m2m, my rates are still lower than anyone else of near equivalent caliber on the entire internet. either way you will all be sorry when I beat carroters in the unofficial race to $200/$400 unlimited and when I have to charge $42,500 an hour for a lesson ya'll wish you'd have acted sooner 
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wat i always thought m2m was better than carrotz
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