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CorbinDallas
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11-26-2008, 01:09 AM
Post subject: good spot for 2nd barrel right?
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
CO ($8.20)
Button ($10.20)
SB ($2)
BB ($16.05)
UTG ($5.50)
Hero (MP) ($10.60)
Preflop: Hero is MP with A , J
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.40, CO calls $0.40, 3 folds
Flop: ($0.95) 3, Q , 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.60, CO calls $0.60
Turn: ($2.15) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.55,
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kmind
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It's not horrible but it's much better if a 9+ hits on turn. This is without reads of course.
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martindcx1e
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What do you put villain on when he calls the cbet?
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CorbinDallas
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most likely he has a small PP. then maybe JT, 9T, then maybe AT AK KJ, A8... something that justifies a call (in his mind) but not a raise. i don't see how he can continue on the turn unless he has a set or over pair... unless he just wants to look me up with his mid PP.
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guys he's just looking to complain about taking coolers/beats
he'll continue to be the type of poker player we all love, the one that isn't any good but thinks he is, and slowly donates to the regulars.
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donkbee
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Do you think most villains raise a pair of queens?
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CorbinDallas
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good question. the majority... yes. thats a pretty dry board... so not as much on that board. but yes i think most raise a Queen.... unless its a junky Q.
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guys he's just looking to complain about taking coolers/beats
he'll continue to be the type of poker player we all love, the one that isn't any good but thinks he is, and slowly donates to the regulars.
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sil693
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Don't want to be an arse, but I disagree that most 10NL players will raise with a Q on the flop - they just love to call/call/call. Thats not saying you shouldn't double barrel everytime your cbet gets called though.
Also, without reads - how can you assume that
a) this specific player raises with a Q?
b) he folds a lot to the double barrel?
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AFchung
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if he calls on the flop, how often do you really think he's going to fold to a blank turn?
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Its a dry flop and a blank turn. Hes going to have TP a lot of the time and hes probably not going to fold it. This is a pretty bad spot imo.
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oskar
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If the villain likes to float, or 3-bets lightly on dry flops, this is a good a card as any to 2-barrel. Without reads, I give up.
And, no - you're not getting raised on the flop a lot. if you review other players HH's you'll be surprised how much calling/trapping is going on with monster hands.
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CorbinDallas
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Originally Posted by oskar
If the villain likes to float, or 3-bets lightly on dry flops, this is a good a card as any to 2-barrel. Without reads, I give up.
And, no - you're not getting raised on the flop a lot. if you review other players HH's you'll be surprised how much calling/trapping is going on with monster hands.
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i guess its been a while since you guys played at 10NL. these players check raise the flop when they flop a straight, a set.... have an over pair. its pretty ridiculous. when they have any draw.... they usually check call... or call and call. only the good players bet draws. most are so passive that when they have something its usually easy to tell.
only had 19 hands on villain... he was 63/10/.65. so that tells me he likes to see flops with lots of hands and is passive. he probably had a gutshot or A8o.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
CO ($8.20)
Button ($10.20)
SB ($2)
BB ($16.05)
UTG ($5.50)
Hero (MP) ($10.60)
Preflop: Hero is MP with A, J
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.40, CO calls $0.40, 3 folds
Flop: ($0.95) 3, Q, 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.60, CO calls $0.60
Turn: ($2.15) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.55, 1 fold
Total pot: $2.15 | Rake: $0.10
Results:
Hero didn't show A, J (nothing).
Outcome: Hero won $2.05
so this may or may not be a good spot to 2nd barrel. i'm wanting to improve in this area... when to 2nd and when not to.
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guys he's just looking to complain about taking coolers/beats
he'll continue to be the type of poker player we all love, the one that isn't any good but thinks he is, and slowly donates to the regulars.
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oskar
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Originally Posted by CorbinDallas
i guess its been a while since you guys played at 10NL. these players check raise the flop when they flop a straight, a set.... have an over pair. its pretty ridiculous.
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What's ridiculous about raising your good hands?
I just think it's flawed to think that a hand that just calls you on the flop will fold on the turn most of the time. The board is as dry as it gets, so he doesn't have to protect against a draw, and he wants you to keep betting with the scond best hand. If he does have something like KQ, QJ, QT, Q9 - or JJ, TT, 99 - he doesn't want to bloat the bot.
You probably made him fold a small pair or Ax here
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CorbinDallas
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Originally Posted by oskar
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Originally Posted by CorbinDallas
i guess its been a while since you guys played at 10NL. these players check raise the flop when they flop a straight, a set.... have an over pair. its pretty ridiculous.
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What's ridiculous about raising your good hands?
I just think it's flawed to think that a hand that just calls you on the flop will fold on the turn most of the time. The board is as dry as it gets, so he doesn't have to protect against a draw, and he wants you to keep betting with the scond best hand. If he does have something like KQ, QJ, QT, Q9 - or JJ, TT, 99 - he doesn't want to bloat the bot.
You probably made him fold a small pair or Ax here |
nothing. but someone was saying there is all kinds of trapping going on. i was saying that ALOT of players are CRing straights and sets and a Q here.
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guys he's just looking to complain about taking coolers/beats
he'll continue to be the type of poker player we all love, the one that isn't any good but thinks he is, and slowly donates to the regulars.
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Ramster
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If he flat calls here and the river comes a blank
what are you doing next
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CorbinDallas
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I just think it's flawed to think that a hand that just calls you on the flop will fold on the turn most of the time.
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yes i completely agree with that.
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guys he's just looking to complain about taking coolers/beats
he'll continue to be the type of poker player we all love, the one that isn't any good but thinks he is, and slowly donates to the regulars.
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CorbinDallas
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Originally Posted by Ramster
If he flat calls here and the river comes a blank
what are you doing next
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shove... for sure. i love losing a buy in with air.
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guys he's just looking to complain about taking coolers/beats
he'll continue to be the type of poker player we all love, the one that isn't any good but thinks he is, and slowly donates to the regulars.
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I don't fire a second barrel because:
1. Villains at NL10 are not floaty
2. Dry board
3. bad barreling card (a king or ace would be optimal)
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kmind
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The flop is actually a pretty good board to be prepared to double barrel. But the turn card sucks. I still don't think it's awful but I'd lean towards giving up.
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martindcx1e
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4-of-a-Kind
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I don't think we can assume a 10nl unknown will float you. Without reads I think this is a bad turn bet.
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NewbieNoOne
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I myself wouldn't raise Q top pair. I'd like to see an A or K on the turn to double barrel.
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