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Old 10-21-2009, 05:46 PM     Post subject: good river bet? 25NL #1 (permalink)  
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 3bet sizing should be 1-2bb more, flop and turn looks standard?

my thinking on the river bet is that i may get a call from hands like 77-99 that would otherwise check behind if i check the river.

but would a better plan be to just c/f river since i have no idea of BTN's bluff frequency.

maybe i should just c/f though since when he bets the river when i check he's 95% value betting a better hand, or he is bluffing. i'd fold to any bet smaller than 1/4PSB without any reads
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Hero (SB) ($25)
BB ($25)
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Preflop: Hero is SB with 10, 10
3 folds, Button bets $1, Hero raises to $2.75, 1 fold, Button calls $1.75

Flop: ($5.75) Q, 3, J (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks

Turn: ($5.75) A (2 players)
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River: ($5.75) J (2 players)
Hero bets $2.75, Button calls $2.75

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Old 10-21-2009, 06:57 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 If 3betting is correct, 3bet larger. As played preflop, just c/f every street unimproved. There is no value in a bet on the flop, and he doesn't fold better to one bet, and I don't particularly like barreling in a spot where it's unknown if he can make folds, and we have very little pot equity when called.

I'd assume this flop would get peeled very often, as he has loads of pairs, straight draws, gutshots in his range (AQ, KQ, QJ, JJ-AA, AK, KT, T9, KJ, AJ, etc}.

As for the river, I think it's pretty optimistic to think you are getting looked up by worse. This isn't the greatest river, as his line up to the river is conducive of a Jx hand (JT, J9s, KJ). Not to mention, he could have decided to pot control KQ on the flop when checked to as he doesn't think you are ever c/calling worse. Then when the A turn came, he checked back again thinking there is once again no value in betting.

I think he has JT, KJ, KQ, J9s, and you get called on the river by that, WAY more often than he stations with 77-99 or whatever. It's pretty apparent you are going for thin value, so it seems pretty bad if he calls you with worse.
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Old 10-22-2009, 02:02 AM #3 (permalink)  
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I agree with everything that Stacks pointed out but just wondering what your reasoning is for 3betting this without reads? I'm a 25NL fullring player so maybe what works in FR doesn't work as well in 6max.

I genrally prefer to flat this pre barring some specific read villain is calling with a fairly wide range or table dynamic but here are my 2 cents:

1) Most of the hands in villain's range that are going to call our 3bet are either flipping or dominating us.

2) TT will usually not win us large pots unless we flop a set, so I prefer to not build a pot until I do flop a set unless I have a better reason to do so ie - villain is a drooler.

3) TT is strong enough to play poker oop against a wide range.
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Old 10-22-2009, 01:12 PM #4 (permalink)  

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I don't like the river bet. What can you beat?
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