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bunthorne

11-20-2005, 08:35 PM Post subject: Good move or a risky one that came off?

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Six player NL cash game. I'm on the button and hold KK spades and clubs. We all have roughly $250.

Action is folded to one from the button who raises to 4 x BB. I suspect a position raise as he often raises from the button or one from the button; I don't want to scare him off with a reraise as I've got position on him so I smooth call, knowing that the BB is very tight and will fold all but huge holdings. SB raises to 8 x BB, which I didn't expect. BB folds, one from the button calls. Now I'm wondering if I'm up against AA and so I don't re-reraise but call, intending to dump the KK is an A flops.

Flop is QT2 all spades. SB bets half the pot, one from the button folds. I consider coming over the top but now I am doubting that he has AA as his bet is weak, and I can't put him on a flush. So with an overpair and 4 to the K flush I smooth call, risking an A on the turn.

Turn is a rag. SB bets the pot. There is now about $200 in the pot with this bet and I have about $200 left. I might possibly be ahead. If he has AA then I am behind, but as long as one of them isn't A spades then I can still hit a spade or a K. If he has trips I can hit the same to win. And I figure that I might make him lay his hand down if he reads me for a flush or a big hand.

So I move all in and he folds, not showing what he was holding.

Any thoughts on the all-in move? I know it was risky but there were a lot of hands he could have put me on. I'd love to know whether or not he folded the best hand.

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Pelion

11-20-2005, 11:48 PM

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Ok first this would be better in the hand history forum but anyway...
I usually play $5NL so im probably hopelessly unqualified to answer this but..

How can you put him on AA after only 1 reraise?
If he is so tight that you put him on AA then you should be calling only to hit a set not to see an A free flop.

If it is more likely that he has a decent hand AA/KK/QQ/JJ/maybe1010/AK/etc. and thinks that the button is just position raising/ blind stealing as usual then it is probably better to reraise.
A call isnt too bad as you will have position but you arent calling thinking he has AA, you are calling thinking you are ahead and hoping they will try to continuation bet into you again.

I personally would reraise again here because i can see SB reraising with any sort of a hand (and it is only a min reraise).
The flop you get is a little scary because if he has AA he is still ahead and if he has QQ/ AsKs then he has overtaken you but i would still expect to be ahead here however.

In short i would reraise the flop.
Given that you didnt i would reraise the flop to pot size and see if he folds.
On the turn if you want to get aggressive here then im sure you can reraise alot smaller and still get him to fold all the hands that will fold to an allin without losing as much to a flopped flush or some other stupidly good hand that beats you.

Disclaimer: I am slightly tipsy so feel free to ignore me but i still replied first so pffff

EricE

11-21-2005, 04:50 PM

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I like the push if you held the K of spades(it sounds like you did).

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Rondavu

11-21-2005, 06:03 PM

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You're ahead way too often to take command of the hand here. Allow your opponent to push the river and call him.

It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.

Fnord

11-21-2005, 06:20 PM

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What are the blinds?

Pre-flop: I feel you, but I would consider making it 12x to set-up re-steals later.

Flop: Not a nice flop for you with 2 broadways up against a tight holding that made a pre-flop "call me" raise. I can see folding it right there. What does 1/2 pot mean from him? I can see a call here if you read it for a c-bet.

Turn: I'm done here. Given the player profile, pushing is certainly better than calling.

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Rondavu

11-21-2005, 08:27 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Turn: I'm done here. Given the player profile, pushing is certainly better than calling.

If you push, how often are you called while still ahead here? Why does the river scare you more than what's out there? I'm only asking because lately I've become a passive calling machine in certain situations I deem appropriate to maximize implied odds. This just looks like one to me.

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Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.

Fnord

11-21-2005, 08:33 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rondavu

If you push, how often are you called while still ahead here?

How often does his opponent laydown Aces? If he thinks he's ahead, then he might as well get it all in, as it's a big pot worth maximizing our chances of winning.

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Peluri

11-22-2005, 07:21 AM Post subject: My suggestion

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good move but risky. U did not have enuff information to
justify that I think.

Hmm, why not re-raise SBs preflop and find out if he has
aces? If he does go all-in he has Aces (or KK too). If he just calls he most
probablyt dont have AA. I would put him on AK,QQ,JJ calling.
Remote possibilty is that he has KK too, although i would go allin
with KK in almost every circumstances (seen this several times
with AA/KK).

But after flop QQ is out of question since he only bet half a pot.
Because he would not risk trips for fl draw. If I hit trips with that
flop I would bet a pot or at least 3/4 for scare.

I am most certain he had solid hand with no spades. I think u
can easily bet 8x with medium sized PP in 6max game. If I
had like AK, QQ, JJ or even TT and suspected steal I would raise 8x.
No AA or KK needed for that. All IMHO of course

Peluri

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