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LockLow34

02-25-2005, 03:27 PM Post subject: Good laydown?

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I think it was and I'll share my reasoning through the hand.

Game is NLHE (blinds 1/2)

I have about $250 in chips
MP and MP+1 both have about $100
SB has about $40

UTG I'm dealt Q

and limp in expecting to re-raise if one of several aggressive players behind me raises. We get a few limpers and nobody raises so it's multiway. I don't feel comfortable already.

Flop comes 6

Checked to me. I bet $15, overbetting the pot by just a bit. MP calls (I think he's got at least a pair or maybe a str8 draw) and MP+1 raises to $30. She's pretty solid and more of a limit player and I put her on the nut flush draw. SB then raises $9 to go all-in. He's a tight solid player so I have him on 2 pair or a better.

I fold.

Here's my reasoning:

I didn't want to get into a multi-way pot against 2 drawers in case I'm called by both of them (which is a distinct possibility with these 2). LOTS of cards could come that would help them and I figured I could find better situations to get my money in with.

If I did push and got both of them to lay down then I'm up against the only hand which is beating me at that point. Again, not a situation which I'd prefer to put myself in.

The only favorable situation was to get heads-up against one of the drawers and since they are both calling stations I was pretty sure that wouldn't happen. Hence my laydown.

I'll add more to this, including what each person really had and the results of the hand after reading the replies.

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Tenny

02-25-2005, 03:48 PM

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It's possible the SB limped with pocket 3's. It's quite possible you are beat already and with 2 outs to help your hand this is an easy laydown. Except for me when I am tilting, I would push lose money and get mad. Good laydown.

-It seemed like a good idea at the time-

02-25-2005, 03:56 PM

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I say it was a good laydown. You might still have the best hand on the table....for now. But after the river you'll probably have the 2nd best, and lose a ton of money getting there.

Good laydown. Bad decision not to raise preflop, although I've done that before (not raised from EP expecting *somebody* to raise after me). It burns when you don't get raised....

72bluffer

02-25-2005, 03:58 PM

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You have to raise something pre flop. Make the chasers drop out, plus any one who would of stayed in and made 2 pair.

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02-25-2005, 05:15 PM

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good laydown sure but you should have collected the pot with a raise preflop.

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LockLow34

02-25-2005, 06:56 PM

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Agreed that I could have gotten the garbage out with a preflop raise. (In fact later on I DID raise with KK in the same position but didn't get any action.) The only thing is that there were 3 very aggressive players yet to act, including one who would raise and call with almost anything. I'd doubled through him earlier when I raised him all-in from the SB with 55 and he had A3 and called. I could have taken the pot with a raise but I was looking to take one of the aggressive players' stacks, not just win the pot.

That said...my reads were on target.

Caller in MP had 2

for bottom pair no kicker, a gutshot straight flush draw.

Problem for him was that MP+1 had A

for the nut flush draw, just as I suspected.

And SB had 6

for top set.

turn was the 5

river was a blank and MP took the pot with the str8.

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a500lbgorilla

02-25-2005, 07:15 PM

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I like the fold. It's an unraised pot, the sorta flop that limping hands can hit nicely and you have a hand that won't improve easily.

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dalecooper

02-25-2005, 07:32 PM

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Good fold. With that many playing and a weird, dangerous board, you have to let it go. I don't recommend trying to check-raise pocket pairs for this reason... even tables I'd characterize as aggressive might only have a pre-flop raise 50% of the time, which means if you try to check-raise on an orbit where no one raises, you're boned.

dsaxton

02-25-2005, 08:20 PM

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Well, if you figure the small blind already has you beaten, then you're drawing dead to a set or possibly a board pair. I think given the action, it's clear that you don't have the best hand and it's a pretty easy fold.

By the way, you live in Ashburn, VA? I live in Fairfax right now, but I'm originally from Hamilton, which is about 20 minutes from Ashburn.

dalecooper

02-25-2005, 08:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dsaxton

Well, if you figure the small blind already has you beaten, then you're drawing dead to a set or possibly a board pair.

That's not really drawing dead - at the very least he has two queens as outs, if he suspects a pair or low set is what's ahead of him now.

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