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Old 08-23-2005, 01:32 AM     Post subject: Good hands OOP #1 (permalink)  
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Wanted to start a discussion or get some general ideas about playing AK/AQ even maybe JJ/QQ outta position on the sb.
It seems to be a weakness in my game outside mtt (talking cashtables here)
Current strategy is to mix it up a bit and raise some from the sb and just call with others (when pot is unraised) (if its a raised pot i might be tempted to GAMBooL with QQ from the sb)
Post flop i tend to try and check raise if i hit in order to try and get hands that also hit but that i dominate like KQ maybe even Ax all in with the worst hand. If i dont like to have people see free crads then i come right out and bet it. Guess i dont like to continuation bet if i miss here OOP becasue i have little idea of what people in better position have if they call, thus i may feel/look weak unless i hit the turn (checking the turn tells opps too much about my hand imo)
Is this correct or does anyone have any other ideas. If i miss (when only calling into pot) i just dump not too bothered about about wasting a good hand if i just called and missed. Therefore is mixing it up a good strategy or should i look to raise regardless?
I dont really want to raise more than usual as that would be giving a lot of info away on the cheap imo (even though the opps i play against would probably not notice!)

Edit: Ill try to find some hand histories if ive got some.
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Old 08-23-2005, 06:35 AM     Post subject: Re: Good hands OOP #2 (permalink)  
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
Wanted to start a discussion or get some general ideas about playing AK/AQ even maybe JJ/QQ outta position on the sb.
It seems to be a weakness in my game outside mtt (talking cashtables here)
Current strategy is to mix it up a bit and raise some from the sb and just call with others (when pot is unraised) (if its a raised pot i might be tempted to GAMBooL with QQ from the sb)
Post flop i tend to try and check raise if i hit in order to try and get hands that also hit but that i dominate like KQ maybe even Ax all in with the worst hand. If i dont like to have people see free crads then i come right out and bet it. Guess i dont like to continuation bet if i miss here OOP becasue i have little idea of what people in better position have if they call, thus i may feel/look weak unless i hit the turn (checking the turn tells opps too much about my hand imo)
Is this correct or does anyone have any other ideas. If i miss (when only calling into pot) i just dump not too bothered about about wasting a good hand if i just called and missed. Therefore is mixing it up a good strategy or should i look to raise regardless?
I dont really want to raise more than usual as that would be giving a lot of info away on the cheap imo (even though the opps i play against would probably not notice!)

Edit: Ill try to find some hand histories if ive got some.


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"Wanted to start a discussion or get some general ideas about playing AK/AQ even maybe JJ/QQ outta position on the sb.
It seems to be a weakness in my game outside mtt (talking cashtables here)"

Always play these hands for a raise regardless of posistion. push those damn fish out, or make it expensive for them to suck out on you

"Current strategy is to mix it up a bit and raise some from the sb and just call with others (when pot is unraised)

raising from the sb is fine, if you think you can push everyone else out, but you are screwed if that flop comes because you have the worst position possible. position is MUCH more important in postflop play than the cards. you are screwed, bottom line.

Oh, and "i might be tempted to gambool" is not something a winning poker player says to himself. "gambool" is just another word for "play stoopid"
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Old 08-23-2005, 11:50 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Treat all hands the same when you're a victim of bad position. With the general acception of AA-KK, you should be ready to treat all hands like 72o if the flop is undesireable. That's how I patched that hole. I lose respect for my hand when I'm out of position. I don't get milked by reverse implied odds. They rear their ugly head when a confident or aggressive player is acting behind me with unknown holdings.
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Old 08-23-2005, 02:53 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Call pre flop raises with JJ. Check raise aggressive players from the SB with JJ if the flop comes all low cards. All hands better than that play for themselves...Don't stick around with AQ if the flop comes 7 T K rainbow.
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Old 08-24-2005, 05:56 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Don't stick around with AQ if the flop comes 7 T K rainbow.
I see so many people sticking around on the high gut. The middle straight is more deceptive and gets action because of that, and the high straight gets action because of the probability of a good second best hand (two pair) from your opponent. Basically it's a zero sum action game between the two, but people pay loads more money on the high gut. It's a major leak for many bad players.
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Old 08-24-2005, 06:56 PM #6 (permalink)  
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I'm probably just limping AK or AQ no matter the table but it will affect my play of the pairs here. I'll probably limp JJ for a set or low board no matter the table but for QQ it depends. If i think a large raise will likely isolate/take the pot then i'll bet it hard but if 2-3 callers are likely i'll play it like the jacks.
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