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Reidak

07-15-2006, 06:21 PM Post subject: Good fold?

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

UTG+1 (t335)
MP1 (t1685)
MP2 (t1355)
CO (t3065)
Button (t3300)
Hero (t1505)
BB (t1390)
UTG (t1040)

Preflop: Hero is SB with

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UTG raises to t1040, UTG+1 calls t335 (All-In), MP1 raises to t1685, 2 folds, Button calls t1685, 2 folds.

Flop: (t4895)

(4 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t4895)

(4 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t4895)

(4 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t4895

Final pot was won by KK

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07-15-2006, 06:27 PM

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With that many people all in I think a fold is good here. Your equity goes up just by watching people get knocked out and with that many people allin i think theres a good chance someone else has one of your aces. It really comes down to how well you know the players but I think a fold here is almost always correct.

then again... i dont play tournaments.

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andy-akb

07-15-2006, 06:46 PM

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With this action I dont hate a fold, but I dont think calling would be bad either, its getting late in the tourney and people are getting desperate. If button hadnt called [he had a bigger stack] then Id probably call. If we were shorter stacked Id also probably call. I havent played tournies in awhile though.

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07-16-2006, 10:37 AM

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AKs would usually be an auto call for me, especially if I have the others covered (which you don't). After all, how many hands are dominating you? Only AA and KK, you even slightly ahead of QQ! With two poeple going all-in ahead of you and, let's say, 10 people to go bust before getting ITM, yes I would fold this.

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07-16-2006, 02:07 PM

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In this situation, with the shorter stacks, calling isn't so bad since you will be in the hunt for side pots and a main pot... but I'm folding this a majority of the time.

You are in no way desperate yet, you still have 15 bbs. An UTG push, shortie call, and a MP push... I really don't want to toss my stack in here. I think this is a good fold.

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07-16-2006, 02:16 PM

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Just for example, let's put UTG and MP1 on a range here. I am not going to be able to get a complete accurate range as I do not have reads...

Let's just run your best case scenario, you have them both dominated:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 55.6495 % 54.41% 01.24% { AdKd }
Hand 2: 23.5212 % 22.28% 01.24% { AQs, AQo }
Hand 3: 20.8293 % 19.59% 01.24% { AJs, AJo }

You're practically flipping here, and I like to avoid coinflips if possible in sngs.

Now I'm going to make a range for them, and if you think this range isn't appropriate let me know.. like I said before I don't know how they were playing. Since this is beginners forum I'm going to assume the buyin was 11 or less, and the players might be a bit looser:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hero: 36.1086 % 31.19% 04.92% { AdKd }
UTG: 25.8787 % 23.99% 01.89% { 66+, A9s+, KJs+, A9o+, KJo+ }
MP1: 38.0128 % 34.11% 03.90% { 88+, AQs+, AQo+ }

One might argue that mp1's range should be a little wider, but I can't come to that conclusion without reads. A push over a push is generally at least a pair, or maybe AK, even at the lower levels.

Just one last scenario, even if they both have an under pair and you have 2 big live suited cards:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 39.5989 % 39.48% 00.12% { AdKd }
Hand 2: 30.2005 % 29.75% 00.45% { QQ-22 }
Hand 3: 30.2005 % 29.75% 00.45% { QQ-22 }

Worse than a coinflip.

I think you should lay this down here.

EDIT - Wow I didn't even notice button's cold call here... I only did ranges on UTG and MP1... the fact that button calls here imo makes this a very easy laydown... AKs against 4 hands?? No thanks....

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