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bunthorne

02-02-2006, 11:29 AM Post subject: It gets worse - it really is unreal

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My confidence really has hit rock bottom at the moment.

I played today for about an hour in the $100 NL 6 player cash games.

I had AA 3 times - each time it was cracked to a vastly inferior starting hand.

I had KK 2 times - it was cracked both times t0 vastly inferior starting hands

I had AK, AQ twice, AJ, TT, 99, 66, 33, 88 - and won very little with these - most of the pairs had to be folded.

I'm sure the site I am playing on has got it in for me. I have done something on the site which might, if they were that way inclined, give them cause to teach me a few lessons.

I just can't believe the diabolical run of luck - it is unreal.

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02-02-2006, 11:42 AM

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DOOM SWITHCED!

Seriosuly, ur luck can only get better!

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02-02-2006, 01:50 PM

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02-02-2006, 01:54 PM

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DOOM SWITHCED!

bunthorne

02-02-2006, 04:20 PM

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I have now decided to stop playing internet poker as I have been left in no doubt that there is something working against me.

Whether or not it is a doom switch I do not know, but I keep being dealt tempting cards such as high pocket pairs and face seemingly inocuous flops only to be outdrawn.

What I have read on pokerconduct.net only serves to increase my suspicions of this. People who dismiss this clearly have not read closely all the articles and comments on this. The accounts from those on the inside are quite conclusive.

On the site on which I play the current losing streak is absolutely unbelievable and the only explanation is that the site does not want me to win. I can think of a reason why they would not want me to do so. I am not going to let them clawback all of what I have won to date so will retain about 40% of it.

Some will say that this is rubbish, there is no doom switch or cash out curse, and will say that without evidence then any assertions are unfounded. They will say that losing after cashing out is pure coincidence. Yet many people have suffered this, so much so that it cannot be coincidence. The argument that you play more hands online and so see more suckouts is completely fallacious. Only someone on the inside would have any evidence of this but the revelations on powerpokerwizard.com are good enough for me. Although I doubt the integrity of the program they claim to have, their explanation of how sites do not use RnGs is good enough for me.

I'l stick to live poker where I know that bad beats are just that and are not manufactured. My observations of online play, my reading of comments from others and my dwindling balance are good enough to convince me that all is not as it seems.

When the industry is regulated and sites open up to outside scrutiny I may consider returning.

Best of luck to all those who continue to play - you are going to need it.

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02-02-2006, 04:26 PM

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Rabid Dog

02-02-2006, 04:41 PM

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Why dont you just change sites?

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02-02-2006, 04:43 PM

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Bo G is an unknown quantity at this point

There is enough places to play that you don't have to stay with one site. Stars has exceptional rating by everybody and they have their software regularly inspected by an external audit service.

RUSS13X

02-02-2006, 06:38 PM Post subject: Bad luck or bad site

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I have been on the same kind of run lately. If you don't mind me asking what site are you on. I play at Pokerroom, and I have had a bad run for 3 months now. I was questioning my play, but I have great success at live games. I had AA busted 5 times in a row the other day, and I am considering never playing QQ again. I knocked out of three tournements last weekend w/ flushes losing to higher flushes. Do you guys think this is a bad run or is there something fishy going on?

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02-02-2006, 07:12 PM

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Right now I am also in the midst of a real bad run. But I also know it will turn around. It always does. This is a part of poker you have to over come to be a winning player. Every poker player who plays for a long time will go though bad runs that seem mathematically impossible. I strongly suggest the book the TAO of Poker.
I play a lot of my NL poker on Bodog. Which by far as the most Maniac poker players anywhere. 4 times in 2 days I had somebody call 80 dollars or more going to the river looking for a flush draw and hit. I had another Guy call 89 dollars going to the river with 77 when the board read KQ99. I had 10Js. I don’t need to tell you that the river was a 7.
This is just a few of the incredible hands of this wonderful run. We wont even talk about the guy who put me all in with 10-5os when I held KK.
Any good poker player who plays at Bodog knows this is the risk we take there because the maniacs are everywhere. But I think it has helped me handle the bad beats and unreal losing streaks.
SO what do I do when I am in the middle of one of these runs? I take a break for a day. Than when I came back I play fixed for a day. I basically play though it as long as I can, but once I am emotionally upset and I can’t shake it I take a break.

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02-02-2006, 08:08 PM

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From your other post:

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Originally Posted by bunthorne

I've gone from a monthly profit in January of $3700 to $1500.

$1500 would be my best month ever. I can only hope I hit a bad streak and only make $1500.

bunthorne

02-02-2006, 08:18 PM

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Interesting thoughts, guys, but I am afraid my mind is made up.

I'll stick to live cash games at the casinos and clubs in London and the southe of England.

I have been on bad runs before, but never like this. There must be something going on.

Greedo017

02-02-2006, 08:34 PM

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i am curious how many hands total you have played

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02-02-2006, 09:43 PM

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LOL ... was this all at 100NL? I'm interested to hear the rest of the story.

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02-03-2006, 12:40 AM

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NICE. gg nh u sux thanks

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02-03-2006, 04:32 AM

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I agree give us some more info. What is the total amount of hands we are talking about here. And I can tell you, the two worst beats I have ever suffered where in live tournaments. I once had somebody hit 99 on the turn and the river for quads to bust me out when I held a set of jacks. It had to come 99 for me to lose.

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02-03-2006, 04:35 AM

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I heard the government puts tiny machines in the water supply to keep track of our activities. I think they are in leagues with PrimaPoker.

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02-03-2006, 06:26 AM

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02-03-2006, 11:50 AM

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Doom switch ? Cashout curse ?
I beat final Boss of poker recently but never find those secrets.
Anyone can give me a link ?
We talk about PS2 version or Pc ?

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02-03-2006, 12:51 PM

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I'm astonished that people who play at $100 believe it's rigged. Dude, maybe you're just not as good as you think you are?

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02-03-2006, 03:05 PM

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i am curious how many hands total you have played

enough!

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02-03-2006, 03:12 PM

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what's really great is the talk of the cashout curse, because it's the exact same thing as the curse of someone being on the cover of sports illustrated. after that, they go in the tank, almost never fails, so there must be something to it. and there is, regression towards the mean. you were running well, hitting all your draws, high PP's holding up, c-bets were being folded to, and you won big, then you withdrew, because that's what people do when they first hit some real cash. then you started to lose. if you had only waited another week to cashout you wouldnt have had a cashout curse to blame. you are finally seeing the 'other side' of the coin, the 20% that a lower PP beats your AA, the 33% that the flush hits by the river, etc.
its just like sports illustrated. some schmuck does really well for like a month, can do nothing wrong, so he gets on the cover. then reality sets back in, and he goes back to where he has always been in terms of numbers, sometimes there is a dip below, but it all evens out in the end. curses dont just happen people. now, if you have pissed off a gypsy recently, then you have bigger things to worry about than losing a few poker hands, but I dont think cashing out is a cursable offense.

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02-03-2006, 03:15 PM

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if you have pissed off a gypsy recently, then you have bigger things to worry about than losing a few poker hands, but I dont think cashing out is a cursable offense.

roffle.

Seriously bunthorne, sounds like your just in the middle of a nasty downswing. Maybe drop down in stakes and get some confidence back?

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02-03-2006, 04:04 PM

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This is Unreal (tm).

What you are talking about is poker.

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02-03-2006, 04:25 PM

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wow my friend showed me pokerconduct.net or whatever and i laughed my ass off straight to his face. That site is a peice of shit with no evidence that any of the stuff happened. for example two people have the same card and you saw both take a screenshot of it for evidence, I know i would. apparently there not smart enough to have any proof so people will beleive them.
and i did cash out money then went on a losing streak but by playing some more hands im back to normal. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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02-03-2006, 04:39 PM

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if anyone understands my subtle meaning behind this, I'd be impressed.

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02-03-2006, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Lukie

if anyone understands my subtle meaning behind this, I'd be impressed.

Crapy starting hand that fish love to play like nuts?

02-03-2006, 05:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lukie

if anyone understands my subtle meaning behind this, I'd be impressed.

Crapy starting hand that fish love to play like nuts?

Jack-King-off, DUH

Bo G

02-03-2006, 05:05 PM

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HAHAHAHA
Brilliant.

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02-03-2006, 05:17 PM

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I think you're right--you should stop playing intertrons poker. Not because it's rigged (by the way, wtf did you do that makes you think they're after you?), but b/c you're obviously not in a mental state to be risking your bankroll right now. Take a break, play in some live games, and if you keep getting sucked out there, at least you'll be able to see it for what it is--a massive downswing.

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02-03-2006, 05:31 PM

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k, bye. gl in whtvr else u will try.

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02-03-2006, 05:36 PM

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k, bye. gl in whtvr else u will try.

its unfair for me to be so glib. im one of the lucky ones. online poker has rigged it in my favor, they WANT me to win. no matter what i do, i cant lose. i play trash hands and crack monsters on inocuous flops all the time. its fun.

seriously, in the new year, ive booked only one loss in 26 sessions. it would be impossible to acheive this without rigging, but hey, im not complaining.

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02-03-2006, 05:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by siknd

k, bye. gl in whtvr else u will try.

sorry, sorry. that was glib again.

well, they rigged the moon landings in 1969, and the sun still rose the next day.

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02-03-2006, 07:59 PM Post subject: Re: Bad luck or bad site

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Originally Posted by RUSS13X

I had AA busted 5 times in a row the other day,

Probability of AA against a random hand ~~20%.
Probability of AA losing 5 consecutive times to a random hand ~~ about 3/1000.

Ever had a straight flush? Because the odds are more against you to get a straight flush than to have Aces cracked 5 consecutive times.

I have had 5, so I guess your right. Online poker is definitely rigged.

freechus9

02-03-2006, 08:14 PM Post subject: Re: Bad luck or bad site

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I had AA busted 5 times in a row the other day,

Statistics pwn.

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02-03-2006, 08:28 PM

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The thing I love is how bunthorne argued for the longest time that poker was rigged, then he went on a 1-2 month winning run and retracted his statements, and now that he's losing again he instantly goes back to saying it's rigged. All of his arguments revolve around stupid shit he reads online.

It's just too funny.....bunthorne i think you should try KcJd more. That may help you end this losing streak.

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02-03-2006, 08:34 PM

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What happens when someone hits a 2-outer on the river at the casino. Are you say their rigged too?

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02-03-2006, 08:57 PM

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02-03-2006, 09:03 PM

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1st hand

One of my pals raise 8xbb (not that unusual) I look down at AA - most of the time when he is raising this big he has a Big PP, so I move allin he calls he has Q9os nothing dangerous on the flop - he hits a runner runner straight draw - I smile say nh and get on with the game.

2nd hand

Another pal raises, I call with Q9s - I hit two pair on the flop, he bets I reraise he moves allin I call he has AQ hits his A on the river - happens - same reaction as a above with the last hand.

I recommend you buy and read/study "The Theory of Poker" by David Sklansky - this will help you understand why like the hands posted above are Good for you and not Bad for you.

This book well help change your perspective of the game and also improve your game.

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02-03-2006, 09:48 PM

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I cracked other players Aces 6 times in a row with 74o the other day, poker is so fucking rigged that i'm going to quit too. Your guy's intelligent posts only confirmed my deepest and darkest fears.

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02-04-2006, 08:51 AM

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Sorry, chaps, but you haven't convinced me.

When I get evidence that the assertions on pokerconduct.net are false then I will consider returning. At present people try to dismiss it as a joke but do not put forward any convincing arguments for why this should be. I have read so many comments and complaints. There is no smoke without fire.

When it is proven to me that sites do use real RnGs and the evidence contained in the link on powerpokerwizard.net (which shows how a site can CHOOSE TO INPUT THE RIVER CARD) is refuted, then I will consider returning. This assertion could explain the delay which often occurs on certain sites before the river card - the river card which so often turns the hand on its head.

When the industry opens up to outside expert scrutiny then I will consider returning. It has not yet done so.

People claim that these sites do not provide evidence taht ther eis something going on. But they, in turn, do not provide evidence that something is not going on. Now that would convince me, and when I have this, I will be satisfied and will return.

Like I say, good luck all, you will need it.

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02-04-2006, 09:21 AM

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It's trolls like this that need to be banned. I know this thread is funny and it's great to laugh at, but after reading 4 of these today it becomes less funny.

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02-04-2006, 09:32 AM

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2 things.

1)Many poker sited ARE open to outside scrutiny. Most have their records checked by independant companys.

2)POKER TRACKER!!!!!!!!! If there was any statistical anomaly in the way hands are dealt there would be solid evidence by now. There has never been one scrap of HARD evidence that they are out of line. But there is tons of evidence saying its okay. If it was rigged it would be so easy to prove its unreal.

Heres another website you may be interested in
http://www.billrini.com/index.php/20...ker-is-rigged/

If that fails I think you would be more at home here
http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djubl...rthsociety.htm

siknd

02-04-2006, 01:47 PM

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this is a controversy that will never go away. i guess we should all just learn to live with it. id does make you wonder though, the kind of mind that is susceptible to such fears.

by the way, i cracked pocked aces last night with 74o. if you wanna know how these things happen, its not because of rigging, its because of tragic misplays:

UTG minraises with AA. three callers. im in BB with 74o, this is an instacall for me. flop A56. i check, set of aces bets about half pot with one caller. i call. turn 3. i check. aces bets half his stack, other guy folds, i put him all in, and he misses the boat.

i think the rigged theories come from people who dont know how to play flops. they simply look at the end result, regardless of the fact that each street increasingly affects hands relative value.

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02-04-2006, 02:09 PM

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Sorry, chaps, but you haven't convinced me.

I dont think anyone is working particularly hard to convince you. The fact is its your money and if you aren't comfortable with the poker sites looking after it then you shouldnt play there. I wish you luck at your live games but you really should watch out for collusion + people deliberatly trying to play out of turn to mislead you etc. etc. etc. Im sure cheating is much easier live than it is online. Don't want to put you off playing live aswell though.

The problem with pokerconduct is that almost all of what they say is completely ridiculus so even if there was some truth to the rest of it, I would have trouble believing them. They have emailed pretty much every poker site on the net and asked them why their servers are not in the US. All of the replies have said "because US law isnt clear at the moment and there is a huge debate going on about whether or not its even legal and we dont want to risk setting up a gambling website only to find out its illegal in a month/years time". Pokerconducts reply to this has also always been the same "ahhhhh so youre operating from another country when it might even be legal to operate from US soil. Could it be that you have something to hide??? eh??? eh????"

Most of the emails published on that site are from people who play playmoney games where 6 or 7 people see a showdown every hand saying they see more full houses than they would in a casino.... duh...

Either that or someone has OMFG ADMITTED!!!!!211111ELEVEN to being a shill + being able to see someone elses cards or some other way of cheating.

1) Why admit it if they actually did it? Wouldnt that be like against the companies interest or something?

2)I've admitted cheating online before. Some guy didnt know you could use the hand history to look at peoples hole cards if they mucked at showdown despite 2 guys at my table (and eventually me) telling him to just try it and be surprised. He hysterically accused us of hacking into the servers to see peoples cards. We of course, admitted everything. In the end he left the table saying he was reporting us to pokerstars for using hacking software to see peoples cards and you know what? He probably reported us to pokerconduct too.

IMO that site has absolutely no credibility or even sanity. If it has shaken your confidence then stop playing online poker. You will most definatly be playing with scared momey anyway if you think the sites are out to get you personally. Im afraid there is no way i can take them seriously at the moment though.

gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.

bigspenda73: But how much did you win?

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02-04-2006, 02:17 PM

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Where im from its called the "Lonely man's hand" .

gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.

bigspenda73: But how much did you win?

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The problem with pokerconduct is that almost all of what they say is completely ridiculus so even if there was some truth to the rest of it, I would have trouble believing them.

The sad thing about it is that this site seems to be have been done by people who cannot win the game and chose rather to blame something else for their troubles.I see this happen all the time in other areas of life.Funny thing is that as bad as I've been running I never once balmed the site for my poor play.

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02-04-2006, 11:04 PM

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nuff said. lock this shit

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