Originally Posted by mrchevyceleb

ah the wonders of playing in position --

as long as he continues to do the big betting for you OOP in this 4-bet pot giving you the opportunity and SPR to stack off by the river, this more passive line is absolutely fine. I expect him to have JJ-KK here btw, probably KK. If he checks any street then we would have to bet for sure to make sure stacks get in by the river.

Originally Posted by littleogre

In a 4-bet pot with villain betting the flop and turn i think he's committed to his hand and the money is going in whether you raise or check the turn. So checking is just fine.

Originally Posted by texa8

Originally Posted by littleogre

sir i have close to 70k hands at 2nl which may be small to some but over that time i have never seen someone fold in a 4-bet pot hu pot. Also sb has a big chunk of his money already in the pot. so i highly doubt he is folding if we raise the turn. If you twist my arm i would just call. If he check folds the river ( not likely to happen) then he wasn't gonna call a turn raise. Also by just calling it gives him the chance bluff/think his hand is good and fire on the river. In the long run i don't think it's gonna make much of a difference whether op raises or calls on the turn.

Originally Posted by rpm

this is one of the few instances at the micros where i think playing a very strong hand passively is good. the strongest hand he can have is 44 (unlikely) followed by KK,QQ,JJ etc. not many of these can stand a raise and you have the deck utterly crippled. because villain is short-stacked, and thus your SPR is low, i really like how you played the hand, basically giving villain a rope to hang himself by not raising him out of the pot (which is what is likely to happen because we KNOW his range is weak) while still allowing stacks to go in by the river. only minor fault i can see is that you are probably better off opening for 4 or 5bb preflop at 2nl beause your open raising range will be pretty strong and thus, you will want to be building pots when you raise preflop.

Originally Posted by Udyr

In a 3 bet pot, I am most likely raising the flop and definitely raising the turn.

I don't completely mind the flat call on the flop.

Originally Posted by littleogre

sir i have close to 70k hands at 2nl which may be small to some but over that time i have never seen someone fold in a 4-bet pot hu pot. Also sb has a big chunk of his money already in the pot. so i highly doubt he is folding if we raise the turn. If you twist my arm i would just call. If he check folds the river ( not likely to happen) then he wasn't gonna call a turn raise. Also by just calling it gives him the chance bluff/think his hand is good and fire on the river. In the long run i don't think it's gonna make much of a difference whether op raises or calls on the turn.

Originally Posted by sven00100

Ahh thank you, this is helpful, I have been wondering about my preflop raising at 2nl.. I kept my basic tourney betting sizing for this, which is typically 3bb + 1 for each limper, adjusting if I know they are going to call more. Think I should keep something like this but maybe more like 5bb +1x or 4bb +1.5x, since people will tend to call more?

Originally Posted by rpm

i may be wrong, but i think the was because in the post he referred it to, you seemed to interpret the hand as being played OOP. you said "the money is going in whether you raise or check the turn".

Edit:
actually, raising or checking the turn is impossible whether IP or OOP. but you get the drift. i still think calling turn is better because the money is going in on the river 100% if villain has a hand that he would call a turn raise with (due to tiny river SPR etc etc). so if 1% of random villains at 2nl fold QQ or KK to a turn raise then, assuming the money goes in 100% on the river, whether it goes b/c or c/c, calling has a slightly higher EV than raising (i think).

also as stacks mentioned, calling allows villain to catch a piece if he's ever pure bluffing here (with hands which we assume he's not calling a turn raise with), or allows him to think he can keep bluffing on the river if he's ever bad enough to do so.