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philly and the phanatics
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06-23-2010, 11:36 PM
Post subject: gay river 10nl
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a similar hand to the other 2 that i posted, villain is 71/14 over 50 hands with afq of 48%. no reads, probably should have folded pre with this idiot to my left, or just left the table....idk
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (MP3) ($12.36)
CO ($25.44)
Button ($6.75)
SB ($10)
BB ($6.11)
UTG ($10.17)
UTG+1 ($22.77)
MP1 ($15.80)
MP2 ($10.35)
Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 10 , K
4 folds, Hero bets $0.35, CO calls $0.35, 3 folds
Flop: ($0.85) 10, 6 , 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.60, CO calls $0.60
Turn: ($2.05) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.40, CO calls $1.40
River: ($4.85) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.90, CO raises to $10.55, [color=#666666] Hero????
Total pot: $8.65 | Rake: $0.57
My river bet is a sort of blocking bet, still range by the river i feel is heavily weighted towards flushes, maybe a5? or a 45s 56s 57s 35s that slow played the turn....87, and 99 just got there on the river...maybe AT is spazzing out. He could be doing this with QT, JT but i doubt it. idk what do you guys think
i only need about 35% equity to call but when he is playing 70% of his hands there is a looot of flushes in his range
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L_Clan_Sup3rMaN
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Might as well stay and learn to play against opponents like that to your left while its still uber cheap. As played, fold river. With a bit more info you can even C/F that river. I would certainly C/C a blank river, allowing him to bluff with his missed draws.
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NightGizmo
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Do you have a willing to showdown % on this villain? It helps to see if he likes to stay around with any two cards or folds on the flop whenever he doesn't connect.
That river card is brutal -- I would probably fold, stand up, and find a better table. If he was sitting on your right, you could be taking all of his money.
If you really want to stick around that table, tighten up. With someone that loose and (presumably) stationy on your left, you want to have better starting hands than normal unless you have the button or SB. Otherwise you'll give any smart opponents after him good odds to call with their speculative hands, because they will have position on you and the guy giving his money away.
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kfaess
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IMO the only hands he's making this move with that we have beat are clubs that called the flop (overcards, XcTc, Xc5c). I don't think he's bluffing here that often so I fold.
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philly and the phanatics
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kfaess
IMO the only hands he's making this move with that we have beat are clubs that called the flop (overcards, XcTc, Xc5c). I don't think he's bluffing here that often so I fold.
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5c is on the board
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Imthenewfish
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I would open-fold pre, but I don't think that playing it is really a mistake unless a few people behind you are spewtarded. I love the sizing on every bet, and plan to fold to too much aggression on the river bet. I'm not really sure why this is a hard fold..
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I've always suspected that 9 of spades is the second gayest card in the deck, but this is absolute flaming evidence.
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Fnord
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When your river line is bet/fold don't forget to fold!
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Tasha
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At the Turn does villain have implied odds to call? If so, does that mean the Turn bet should have been bigger?
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Quote:
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When your river line is bet/fold don't forget to fold!
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[00:29] <daven> dc, why not check turn behind
[00:30] <DC> daven
[00:30] <DC> on my hand?
[00:30] <daven> yep
[00:30] <DC> because I am drunk
[00:30] <daven> nice reason
[00:30] <daven> no further questions
[00:30] <yaawn> ^^Lol
Problem officer...?
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Imthenewfish
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tasha
At the Turn does villain have implied odds to call? If so, does that mean the Turn bet should have been bigger?
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Villain has no implied odds because our hand is really weak and we aren't retarded spew monkeys..
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Muzzard
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Imthenewfish
I would open-fold pre
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lol?
It's played fine, unless you called river. People at small stakes are rarely jamming river with bluffs especially if they have some sort of made hand anyway that has some SD value.
I would expect JT/QT/KT/AT all to call and not raise river. I woudl also expect 5x that didn't make a house to call some % as they will be now scared of the flush. So that leaves flushes and FH's. Just fold.
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Imthenewfish
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lol?
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It's fun to be uber nitty at FR
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I like every street providing you folded river. Might actually b/f the river for a little more though because I don't think Tx, 88 77, 6x are folding any more often for half pot.
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caddie444
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I fold pre with him on my left. As played you've raised pre and bet 3 streets and he's still raising you, use the magic of bet/fold here so ---> fold!
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Calling him an idiot isn't really constructive.. its talk and thoughts like that that put you on monkey tilt. You won money this hand, so what's the big deal? So he got his 20% equity this time.. move on and take the 80%
Its true having this guy to your left is tougher than having position, but its still a profitable place to be.. just tighten up a big and taken him to valuetown... throw in checkraises.. let him spew.
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Tasha
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Imthenewfish
Villain has no implied odds because our hand is really weak and we aren't retarded spew monkeys..
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Thanks for the clear explanation.
Villain doesn't know what our hand is but he has just seen Hero raise on the Turn for a card that clearly didn't give him a flush. So why wouldn't he have implied odds?
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Imthenewfish
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tasha
Thanks for the clear explanation.
Villain doesn't know what our hand is but he has just seen Hero raise on the Turn for a card that clearly didn't give him a flush. So why wouldn't he have implied odds?
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because villain is 71/14 over 50 hands with afq of 48% with the IQ of a 7th grader
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philly and the phanatics
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tasha
Thanks for the clear explanation.
Villain doesn't know what our hand is but he has just seen Hero raise on the Turn for a card that clearly didn't give him a flush. So why wouldn't he have implied odds?
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think about the term implied odds....the thing that is "implied" is that this person is going to get more money off of me on a later street, so you are temporarily taking bad immediate odds with it being implied that you are going to make up for that on a later street of betting when you do hit your hand (and you wont be putting any more money in the pot when you dont). In this case i only have tp with a king kicker on a really scary board, i am folding to aggression from most people here. So as a result i am not giving anyone implied great implied odds because i am not going to pay off hands that do hit (str8s/flushes)
hope this makes sense
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Tasha
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Quote:
Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics
So as a result i am not giving anyone implied great implied odds because i am not going to pay off hands that do hit (str8s/flushes)
hope this makes sense
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Thanks, it did, right up to the last bit.
What do you mean you not going to pay off hands that do hit?
I am looking at it from the Villain's point of view on the Turn. He has just seen a bet of $1.40 go in the pot. He can see that Hero hasn't made a flush up until now. He can assume that if Hero put in $1.40 on the Turn he will put in at least another $1.40 (this being the bet that gives him his implied odds), therefore it is worth his while to call the $1.40 bet on the Turn, especially if Hero doesn't get a flush.
As it stands now his pot odds are about 41%, but his implied odds are about 29%.
The odds on drawing a straight are 20%.
However, a larger bet from Hero on Turn would not be as worthwhile for him to call because Hero might get his flush.
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Imthenewfish
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Villain does actually have implied odds, but not many. He only has implied odds if he plans on betting a really small amount when he does hit, pricing us into a call. If he thinks he can stack us if he hits, however, he has a false sense of how strong our hand is (on this really dry board) makng him think he has a lot of implied odds when he really doesn't have much
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philly and the phanatics
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tasha
As it stands now his pot odds are about 41%, but his implied odds are about 29%.
The odds on drawing a straight are 20%.
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so you are saying his implied odds are 29% and he only has 20% chance of hitting (which he doesnt even have its more like 16% cause he has 8 outs..and only some of those are clean outs, 2 of the 8 put a flush on the board (like the one that came on the river)) so even in your example he is not getting the right implied odds to call, it would still be a -EV play
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Tasha
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Okay, I can see that the implied odds don't really help Villain here, but the point I was trying to make is on Hero's Turn bet. Would it have been a better bet if it was at least twice as big?
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philly and the phanatics
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if i think he would call a bet twice as big with worse Tx's and flush and straight draws, then yes betting twice as much would be awesome...the thing is the more you bet, often, the more you narrow their range and the more i am against hands that beat me
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Raising this pre is fine, he's calling with soooooooo much dominated trash that when we spike a T or a K we can get 2-3 streets out of them pretty easily.
Hand is played fine, bet/fold river is standard. This is seriously 5x, flush, or a FH the vast majority of the time. And you don't even beat all the Tx that could be raising you. This hand gets more a lot interesting if hero has 78.
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grjaznijkloun
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06-30-2010, 12:53 PM
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It sucks> delete it now> i hate u alllllllllllllll dieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee fuck !!!!!!!!!!!!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fnord
When your river line is bet/fold don't forget to fold!
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This is very win.
Don't ever ever blocking bet without considering villain's bluff raisig frequency and deciding whether we're bet/calling to induce or bet/folding or if villain's gonna play balanced enough for checking to be our best option.
i mean, technically you're not ever supposed to bet without considering someone's raising frequency and how we are to react to it, but it's especially essential to the blocking bet play
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It sucks> delete it now> i hate u alllllllllllllll dieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee fuck !!!!!!!!!!!!
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