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Old 12-09-2008, 09:05 AM     Post subject: fundamental mistake/ how to deal with maniacs to my left #1 (permalink)  
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both villains ran way above 50 vpip. By now i`m sure my mayor mistake was poor table selection, so getting away from this table would have been best.

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Hero (MP1) ($18.40)
MP2 ($14.50)
CO ($24.90)
Button ($25)
SB ($10.75)
BB ($4.15)
UTG ($67.05)
UTG+1 ($12.30)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 7, 7
2 folds, Hero raises to $1, MP2 calls $1, 2 folds, SB calls $0.90, 1 fold

Flop: ($3.25) K, 4, 9 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2, MP2 calls $2, SB calls $2

Turn: ($9.25) 10 (3 players)
SB bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, MP2 calls $0.50

River: ($10.75) K (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP2 bets $11 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero folds

Total pot: $10.75 | Rake: $0.50

any kind of ideas according to this hand are welcome, as well as general advice on how to deal with maniacs.

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Old 12-09-2008, 09:13 AM #2 (permalink)  
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both villains ran way above 50 vpip.
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By now i`m sure my mayor mistake was poor table selection
what? opps with high vpip is exactly what you want

you raised pre with 77, made your cbet which didn't work, and shut down after that. standard. keep playing at this table with those villains, and when you have a big hand then take it to town
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Yeah, it's not necessarily a bad thing having loosey goosey's to your left. Just tighten up on your c-betting when u flop air and take em to value town when u have TP or better. It can be frustrating as fuck when you never flop anything but just keep in mind that they're probably gonna pay you off good styles when you have a hand so you will get the money eventually.
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Bluff less, valuebet thinner.
Play more hands that flop decent hands more often, instead of hands that flop very good hands less often.
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tighten up in every position except the button

open up your button range

play less hands, that are relying on FE like small sc´s and stuff and add top pair making hands

Dont waste high card/lo pair sd value by bluffing

Depending on board texture vbet 2nd pr+, dont bluff, pot control, slowplay or try to induce.

Look for good spots to fire multiple barrels

Look for timing tells.
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Leave the table
This. If you are unsure of how to deal with the maniac.

Or wait for someone to his left to leave and then switch seats. Now you have him in position and can usually shut him down.
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both villains ran way above 50 vpip.
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By now i`m sure my mayor mistake was poor table selection
what? opps with high vpip is exactly what you want

you raised pre with 77, made your cbet which didn't work, and shut down after that. standard. keep playing at this table with those villains, and when you have a big hand then take it to town
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 What XTR said.

Playing against these types of players are goldmines! You do not want to leave the table if you know how to play against them properly.

Just to re-iterate:
Open up your range dramatically on the Button
Open up your range everywhere else too, but not too much where you end up outside of your comfort level
Flop a hand and take villain to value town, or, check call a few streets vs a manic to see how that works out.

That 77 hand was pretty gross. You need to shut down after the cbet, especially vs. two callers on the flop. (This means fold vs. the turn bet, save it for the BB next time around)


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thanks for commenting so far, lots of things to think about.
Could that river bet be a bluff and is it worth to try and catch it?

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Look for timing tells.
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thanks for commenting so far, lots of things to think about.
Could that river bet be a bluff and is it worth to try and catch it?

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Look for timing tells.
I don`t really know what to do with it.
First, loose doesn't necessarily mean maniac. 70/10 is a gold mine because they don't raise you too much preflop. Stay at table and value town him. 70/40 is maniac. Probably leave or try to find a seat to his left.

Second, timing tells. A lot of loose players play fast in small pots with bad hands, then take their time on big hands, usually trying some FPS bullshit (fancy play syndrome). Try to figure out if they're giving away when they actually have a hand. Just pay attention and see if you can pick something up.

In terms of firing multiple barrels, someone with 50+ VP$P has low/suited cards a lot, so you can sometimes continue with something like TT on a KJ2 rainbow flop against him for value (if he's a station, too) where you wouldn't against a TAGG.
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