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07-14-2008, 04:19 PM
Post subject: FullTilt Poker site is not RANDOM
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I've been playing FullTilt for almost a year and was collecting stats on my hands. I started playing real money but was loosing despite my experience in live games.
So, i switched to play money tourneys to gain some online expertise.
I played a lot and to my surprise i realized that the site is not RANDOM.
I did use a stat software package to evaluate hands but not to bore you with gory technical details this is what i found:
-The site is programmed to dicrimanate against the short stocks. Why?
So that to increase tourneys turn around and generate extra revenue.
This is why so many hands are lost on the river.
Did anyone have same experience?
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I'm pretty sure the real problem here is that you just truly suck at poker, but haven't quite realized it yet. Therefore, you have decided that if you can blame anything but your bad play for your losses then you can sleep at night. That's fine. Do what you must.
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Funny I always thought it was rigged for the shortstackers....they always seem to hit their card as a 3:1 dog.
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Originally Posted by XxStacksxX
I'm pretty sure the real problem here is that you just truly suck at poker, but haven't quite realized it yet. Therefore, you have decided that if you can blame anything but your bad play for your losses then you can sleep at night. That's fine. Do what you must.
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haha yes this.
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Pretty solid reason not to shortstack imo.
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rigged I say! RIGGED!
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07-14-2008, 05:39 PM
Post subject: Re: FullTilt Poker site is not RANDOM
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I did use a stat software package to evaluate hands but not to bore you with gory technical details this is what i found:
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I would like to hear more about this? What software can you use for this?
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If you want to make that claim, you have to bore us with the details. Put the data online somewhere for people to review. It wouldn't make ANY sense for the online casino to do that.
Also this would be immediately apparent because the tournaments should be significantly shorter than tournaments on other sites with similar buy-in and blind structure.
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I'm with Cardsman. Most of my SNG strategy involves early donking of most of my chips so I can take advantage of shoving w/ unsuited rags.
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Is this for real? I know FTR is extremely low on the flaming the noob scale but the OP is just asking for it. Seriously, is there something we can help you out with? Or did you just try to come here and convince thousands of regular online poker players that FTP is rigged and for us to stop playing? Let's get to the bottom of this...
...and while we're on the subject, maybe the FTR mods should immediately delete all "online poker is rigged" posts. It's a waste of time and it's a waste of bandwidth. Same with bad beats, just get rid of 'em. No one wants to hear it.
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07-14-2008, 07:02 PM
Post subject: Re: FullTilt Poker site is not RANDOM
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Serious post to the OP:
Let's see some gory details. I've heard this claim before, but have yet to see any real evidence. I could pull a half dozen fairly believable claims of non-randomness, but I don't have anything to back em' up with.
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Then don't short-stack.
^ everyone should be saying this
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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07-14-2008, 07:32 PM
Post subject: Re: FullTilt Poker site is not RANDOM
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Originally Posted by irene0001
-The site is programmed to dicrimanate against the short stocks. Why?
So that to increase tourneys turn around and generate extra revenue.
This is why so many hands are lost on the river.
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Please explain how a poker site can generate extra income by rigging a tournament when they get a portion of the buyin and the prize pool has already been setup prior to the start of the event?? Unless you are a only talking about rebuy tournaments and during the rebuy period alone, then your claim holds no water in a tourney standpoint.
I'm truly sorry to be the one to bust your bubble, but FullTilt couldn't give a shit if you won the tourney or were the consistent bubble boy. It does not matter to them and they still get theirs. The same goes for any and all sites. As I already stated, they get your entry fee at the start of the tourney. From your buyin they structure the prize pool, and in freezeouts that is it. From there you just play and generally the bad players bust (read as you bust) and the better players go deeper and turn a profit. The FTP staff isn't behind closed doors picking on your by putting up the damn Ace on the river to bust your KK. Sorry it just happens.
And please please please, don't come back in a month with new gory details of how the cash games are rigged now. I beg of you.
Instead of spending your time bitching about how the game is rigged, start making quality posts about how the villian is a complete dumbass donk and called your bluff down with bottompair. That's obviously the best way to go about whining.
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How bout you rig up a bot like the rest of us so you can finally win.
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I've always avoided FTP for this reason, so RIGGED!
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Lock please.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Lock please.
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Sorry spoon, but I expected much more from you on this... 
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Lock please.
Sorry spoon, but I expected much more from you on this...
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because its not even worth the time
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I bet it is
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
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The sign of a poor player is to blame someone or something else for his/her losses. The whole idea of a site being rigged is absurd anyways.. the site has nothing to gain by doing it.
Don't you think the nerds out there would catch a site being rigged within a week and a huge scandal would erupt?
Chris Ferguson was the lead developer in deigning FT right? Why would Jesus want to screw us all?
And lastly, my point is. If a site is rigged, it is equally rigged against all players. Everyone would have to deal with it and the best players would still come out ahead anyways.
So my advice, get better at poker. You are the one rigging your poker career by whining about something fictional.
Tj
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Is this for real? I know FTR is extremely low on the flaming the noob scale but the OP is just asking for it.
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Depends on the noobie. We haven't had many lately that really begged for the ass whoopin. A few months back, we had threads a lot more flamin' than this every other day.
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07-15-2008, 04:34 PM
Post subject: Re: FullTilt Poker site is not RANDOM
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I've been playing FullTilt for almost a year and was collecting stats on my hands. I started playing real money but was loosing despite my experience in live games. |
Experience alone does not make you a winning player, you actually have to learn from your mistakes
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Good move
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Originally Posted by irene0001
I played a lot and to my surprise i realized that the site is not RANDOM.
I did use a stat software package to evaluate hands
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Post some numbers.
1. Your sample size may be way too small, I dont know what you mean by a lot, but it if it 5000,10000 or 20,000 it is not enough to give you correct statistical measurements
2. There are a lot of guys on this site and other forums who do use sw tracking packages over hundrands of thousands of hands and they did not notice any abnormalities, it is possible (although unlikely) that FTP and all the poker tracking s/w packages colluded and you have uncovered a big scam, but somehow I doubt it
3. Since this is your first post you have little creditability on this site, post your numbers and thier source
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Originally Posted by irene0001
-The site is programmed to dicrimanate against the short stocks. Why?
So that to increase tourneys turn around and generate extra revenue.
This is why so many hands are lost on the river.
Did anyone have same experience?
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Did not really follow your logic, why is hand lost on the river different from hand lost on turn ??
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07-15-2008, 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by irene0001
I've been playing FullTilt for almost a year and was collecting stats on my hands. I started playing real money but was loosing despite my experience in live games.
So, i switched to play money tourneys to gain some online expertise.
I played a lot and to my surprise i realized that the site is not RANDOM.
I did use a stat software package to evaluate hands but not to bore you with gory technical details this is what i found:
-The site is programmed to dicrimanate against the short stocks. Why?
So that to increase tourneys turn around and generate extra revenue.
This is why so many hands are lost on the river.
Did anyone have same experience? |
If you have the evidence to prove it then go straight to Full Tilt with the evidence and secure a $5 million payout in return for that evidence and your silence.
Oh you haven't done that? Surprise surprise.
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Why poker fucks with our heads: it's the master that beats you for bringing in the paper, then gives you a milkbone for peeing on the carpet.
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Chris Ferguson was the lead developer in deigning FT right? Why would Jesus want to screw us all?
Tj
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There has to be a punchline for this
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Chris Ferguson was the lead developer in deigning FT right? Why would Jesus want to screw us all?
Tj
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There has to be a punchline for this
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"Take up your bad beats, and follow me" 
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07-18-2008, 12:03 AM
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This is gold
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07-18-2008, 03:58 AM
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That's damn near sig worthy. Ahh hell with the sig, I'm printing up t-shirts for next year's WSOP 
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07-18-2008, 04:31 AM
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Chris Ferguson was the lead developer in designing FT right? Why would Jesus want to screw us all?
Tj
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There has to be a punchline for this
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Nobody messes with the Jesus
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This is gold |
That's damn near sig worthy. Ahh hell with the sig, I'm printing up t-shirts for next year's WSOP |
I'll wear one 
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07-18-2008, 06:24 PM
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This is gold |
That's damn near sig worthy. Ahh hell with the sig, I'm printing up t-shirts for next year's WSOP |
I'll take one in every colour you have sir
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But no, jkds is lolvillager and anyone who wants to string him up is sighbad.
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Why is this utter shit log of a thread not locked yet?
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Because I didn't start it.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Because I didn't start it. |
I just spit my drink all over the keyboard.
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Because I didn't start it. |
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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fucking lost aces vs kings all in preflop today on fulltilt, so obviously rigged its not even funny, thanks for the heads up irene, your a pal.
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i'm pulling $5k off fulltilt and moving to a less rigged site tomorrow
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Why poker fucks with our heads: it's the master that beats you for bringing in the paper, then gives you a milkbone for peeing on the carpet.
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haha I can still post in locked threads suckas!!
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