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Fnord
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07-27-2004, 04:02 PM
Post subject: Full table NL Cash starting hand chart
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heatman
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Fnord, you didn't comment on these suggestions.
They look pretty tight to me. Especially the advice to fold AQs to a raise.
And what about the advice to play suited connectors in very aggressive games and only against big stacks? Just what I want, to hit my flush draw with an A on the board have Ax run me off.
What are you saying here?
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"Limit poker is a science, but no-limit is an art..."
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Humphrind
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4-of-a-Kind
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I looked over the chart and I can't find cards like 83o, 92o, J3o anywhere. 
Are they suggesting that I fold these hands every time I get them? I'll be folding all day. I'd never play a hand. 
Geez, a lot of good that chart did. 
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I don't know what they have to say
It makes no difference anyway.
Whatever it is...
I'm against it.
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Fnord
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For a tight full, ring game I think it's a solid strategy. Against loose players it probably under-values big suited cards. However, it correctly values baby to med pocket pairs which get shafted in FTR's groupings.
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DrNoChance
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As Mike Caro says, you can't overlook the value of the so-called "trap hands", like QJo/KJo/KQo. They are more likely to dominate via kicker than be dominated on loose tables. They weren't on the chart at all (they are mentioned on FTR's groupings though), and they can be profitable hands when played sensibly.
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Fnord
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by DrNoChance
As Mike Caro says, you can't overlook the value of the so-called "trap hands", like QJo/KJo/KQo. They are more likely to dominate via kicker than be dominated on loose tables. They weren't on the chart at all (they are mentioned on FTR's groupings though), and they can be profitable hands when played sensibly.
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If you fold these at a full no-limit table you're not losing out on much.
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phildo
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i play 2 face cards quite often, i dont call many raises with them, but i def. like to see the flop, and quite often they are very nice to have
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ttanaka
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Went to Hustler Casino on Friday. Made the most money on QT offsuit. Flopped the nut straight, and doubled up on a pretty decent chip stack, cashed in $100, walked out with over $400 in 3 hours... over $100/hr. Some of these hands do have implied odds.
The key is to be able to play them.
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michael1123
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Yeah, and the great thing about the broadway straight is that you know it'll hit other hands big. Two pair and pairs with straight draws are very common, with the occasional high set thrown in. If you can avoid the board pairing, it can pay off huge.
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Fnord
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The broadway straight is about all QTo has going for it. I hope you didn't call a raise with it...
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