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Old 09-22-2006, 01:12 PM     Post subject: Friends don't let friends fold good hands to short stacks #1 (permalink)  
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Fnord ($199)
SB ($43.20)
BB ($437.20)
UTG ($224)
MP ($191.40)
CO ($217.50)

Preflop: Fnord is Button with T, K.
2 folds, CO calls $2, Fnord raises to $8, SB raises to $43.2, 1 fold, CO folds, Fnord calls $35.20.

Flop: ($90.40) T, 8, 8 (2 players)

Turn: ($90.40) 9 (2 players)

River: ($90.40) 5 (2 players)

Final Pot: $90.40

Results in white below:
SB has Kd 2d (flush, king high).
Fnord has Ts Ks (two pair, tens and eights).
Outcome: SB wins $90.40.

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BB ($55)
UTG ($93)
MP ($102.35)
Fnord ($220.15)
Button ($411.80)
SB ($236.80)

Preflop: Fnord is CO with A, Q.
1 fold, MP raises to $4, Fnord raises to $10, 2 folds, BB calls $8, MP calls $6.

Flop: ($31) 2, T, 2 (3 players)
BB checks, MP checks, Fnord bets $20, BB raises to $45, MP folds, Fnord calls $25.

Turn: ($121) 3 (2 players)

River: ($121) 9 (2 players)

Final Pot: $121

Results in white below:
BB has Ac 6c (one pair, twos).
Fnord has Ah Qd (one pair, twos).
Outcome: Fnord wins $121.

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SB ($61.75)
Fnord ($200)
Button ($200.55)

Preflop: Fnord is BB with K, A.
Button raises to $6, SB calls $5, Fnord raises to $20, Button calls $14, SB calls $14.

Flop: ($60) 9, 7, 4 (3 players)
SB checks, Fnord bets $40, Button folds, SB calls $40.

Turn: ($140) T (2 players)
SB checks, Fnord bets $2, SB calls $1.75 (All-In).

River: ($143.75) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $143.75

Results in white below:
SB has 6s As (high card, ace).
Fnord has Kd Ad (high card, ace).
Outcome: Fnord wins $143.75.

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SB ($215)
BB ($204.45)
UTG ($223.80)
MP ($194.95)
Fnord ($326.95)
Button ($28)

Preflop: Fnord is CO with 6, 6.
2 folds, Fnord raises to $8, Button raises to $28, 2 folds, Fnord calls $20.

Flop: ($59) A, 7, J (2 players)

Turn: ($59) 2 (2 players)

River: ($59) 5 (2 players)

Final Pot: $59

Results in white below:
Fnord has 6h 6s (one pair, sixes).
Button has 3d Kd (high card, ace).
Outcome: Fnord wins $59.

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Button ($375)
Fnord ($201)
BB ($43.50)
UTG ($239.15)

Preflop: Fnord is SB with K, A.
2 folds, Fnord raises to $6, BB calls $4.

Flop: ($12) 5, T, 6 (2 players)
Fnord checks, BB bets $6, Fnord calls $6.

Turn: ($24) A (2 players)
Fnord checks, BB bets $31.5 (All-In), Fnord calls $31.50.

River: ($87) J (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $87

Results in white below:
BB has Td 7d (one pair, tens).
Fnord has Kc Ah (one pair, aces).
Outcome: Fnord wins $87.
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Old 09-22-2006, 01:14 PM #2 (permalink)  
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10 k is a good hand?
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Old 09-22-2006, 01:17 PM #3 (permalink)  
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10 k is a good hand?
IT'S THE NUTS BABY!
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Old 09-22-2006, 01:20 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 It's more than enough against a short stack, 5 handed all in preflop. If this is in the beginner forum I assume that it's a simple answer. I'm simple, so is this a matter of against a small stack sooner or later you will get the best of him since he's covered and 60%-40%'s will work both ways. I may not be wording it right but I do play this way alot. Many times the have given up and are trying to bust or double up with mediocre cards, and as long as I dont double them back to the buy in I'll get another chance at theirs and my $$
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Old 09-22-2006, 01:20 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Please he has k10 period. No explanation needed.

Poker is simple, you make big pots with premiums, little pots with medicore.

You play the top 10 hands.

You play position.

You dont slowplay or get fancy.

You make money.
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Old 09-22-2006, 01:36 PM #6 (permalink)  
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You play the top 10 hands.
GAMB000000000000000000000000L!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

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Fnord ($189.75)
SB ($204.55)
BB ($171.55)
UTG ($82.45)
MP ($97.55)
CO ($221)

Preflop: Fnord is Button with 9, 8.
UTG calls $2, 1 fold, CO calls $2, Fnord calls $2, 1 fold, BB checks.

Flop: ($9) J, 6, 7 (4 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $12, CO folds, Fnord calls $12, BB folds.

Turn: ($33) T (2 players)
UTG bets $68.45 (All-In), Fnord calls $68.45.

River: ($169.90) J (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $169.90

Results in white below:
UTG has Ac Ah (two pair, aces and jacks).
Fnord has 9s 8h (straight, jack high).
Outcome: Fnord wins $169.90.

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Fnord ($280.40)
Button ($205.15)
SB ($143.55)
BB ($81.75)
UTG ($63)

Preflop: Fnord is MP with 8, 9.
1 fold, Fnord raises to $8, Button calls $8, 1 fold, BB calls $6.

Flop: ($25) 5, 7, 6 (3 players)
BB checks, Fnord bets $16, Button raises to $48, BB folds, Fnord calls $32.

Turn: ($121) 9 (2 players)
Fnord checks, Button bets $96, Fnord raises to $224.4, Button calls $53.15 (All-In).

River: ($494.55) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $494.55

Results in white below:
Fnord has 8s 9c (straight, nine high).
Button has 7h 6h (two pair, sevens and sixes).
Outcome: Fnord wins $494.55.

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SB ($186.65)
Fnord ($200)
UTG ($139.80)
MP ($377.70)
CO ($232.60)
Button ($683.90)

Preflop: Fnord is BB with 8, 6.
UTG calls $2, 2 folds, Button calls $2, SB raises to $7, Fnord calls $5, UTG calls $5, Button folds.

Flop: ($23) 4, 8, A (3 players)
SB bets $10, Fnord raises to $30, UTG folds, SB calls $20.

Turn: ($83) 5 (2 players)
SB checks, Fnord checks.

River: ($83) 2 (2 players)
SB bets $40, Fnord raises to $163, SB calls $109.65 (All-In).

Final Pot: $395.65

Results in white below:
SB has Ad Qc (one pair, aces).
Fnord has 8h 6h (flush, eight high).
Outcome: Fnord wins $395.65.
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Old 09-22-2006, 02:04 PM #7 (permalink)  
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10 k is a good hand?
IT'S THE NUTS BABY!
I'd have a bit of a hard time making that call without a read, but I stacked a shortie calling his a/i with Q8s the other day so who am I to talk.

I think Fnord's point is that should be prepared to call a/i bets from shorties with a wider range than you normally would against a full-buy. There's a lot of shortstacking fish out there that push practically any two to steal, on the assumption they have fold equity, so deny them that by looking them up, even at the risk of doubling them up. More often than not you'll have the best of it, and when you don't you usually get an opportunity to get your chips back because their uber-aggro playing style rarely changes even when they've built themselves up to a full buy.

There's also the message it send to the rest of the table. You get a lot more action from the full-buys when they see you do stuff like this.



 
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Old 09-22-2006, 02:22 PM #8 (permalink)  
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I like them all except the KTs hand.
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Old 09-22-2006, 02:27 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Hero ($253.16)
SB ($63.90)
BB ($42.46)
UTG ($144.95)
MP ($50)
CO ($113.61)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, K. SB posts a blind of $0.50. MP posts a blind of $1.
1 fold, MP (poster) checks, 1 fold, Hero raises to $4, 2 folds, MP raises to $11, Hero calls $8.

Flop: ($25.50) Q, 2, A (2 players)
MP checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($25.50) 6 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $20, MP calls $38 (All-In), Hero calls $18.

River: ($101.50) 7 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $101.50

Results: MP has Td Tc (one pair, tens).
Hero has Qd Kd (one pair, queens).
Outcome: Hero wins $101.50.



 
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Old 09-22-2006, 02:28 PM #10 (permalink)  
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shortstacking fish out there that push practically any two to steal, on the assumption they have fold equity, so deny them that by looking them up, even at the risk of doubling them up.
Absolutely. But get the name. Alot of hit and runs need to be found after they leave with your money. I have notes on a few and I look them up on a regular basis. I will do this so long as I'm not doubling up to more than a full buy-in.

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Old 09-22-2006, 02:29 PM #11 (permalink)  
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I like them all except the KTs hand.
Trust me, that guy was a real member of the brain trust and I think he'd just taken a wicked beat to boot.

When I get home, I'll post the sick sick sick KQ hand. I flop top 2 on a mono-tone board and manage to keep a lot of money behind. Gotta love it when Mister Push tanks for 30 seconds then just calls...
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Old 09-22-2006, 02:44 PM #12 (permalink)  
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There's a lot of shortstacking fish out there that push practically any two to steal, on the assumption they have fold equity, so deny them that by looking them up
I think that is excactly what fnord is trying to say with the bunch of HH's.

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There's also the message it send to the rest of the table. You get a lot more action from the full-buys when they see you do stuff like this.
This too is an important point.

One thing that probably goes without saying is that you don't automatically look him up just because he's short. If the villain is a nit just fold.

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Please he has k10 period. No explanation needed.

Poker is simple, you make big pots with premiums, little pots with medicore.

You play the top 10 hands.

You play position.

You dont slowplay or get fancy.

You make money.
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