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spoonitnow
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11-14-2008, 03:44 PM
Post subject: A Friendly Reminder to Microstakes Players
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<LkySlevin2nl> as an experiment i've opened up a table and have opened my range up alot
<@spoonitnow> NO
* @spoonitnow slaps LkySlevin2nl around a bit with a large trout
<@spoonitnow> GODDAMN IT NO
<@spoonitnow> BAD SLEVIN
<@spoonitnow> BAD FUCKING SLEVIN
<@spoonitnow> NO
<LkySlevin2nl> it looks like i'm a maniac to the table but i'm playing the same positional and post flop play
<LkySlevin2nl> oh=(
<LkySlevin2nl> it's won me alot of buy ins
<@spoonitnow> Play solid, tagg poker
<LkySlevin2nl> oh ok
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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a500lbgorilla
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I disagree.
Play solid tag poker if you're trying to grind. Experiment if you're trying to learn.
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
I disagree.
Play solid tag poker if you're trying to grind. Experiment if you're trying to learn.
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Uhhhhhhhh.... http://www.pokerhand.org/?3449418
Be careful what you tell a 2nl player.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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swiggidy
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Dude, he totally won a stack.
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Stacks
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You shouldn't have shown the hand. Now players are gonna think calling a 3bet with J7o is a solid play because slevin won with it.
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Originally Posted by XxStacksxX
You shouldn't have shown the hand. Now players are gonna think calling a 3bet with J7o is a solid play because slevin won with it.
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I like the EP/MP raise PF, 3Bet call, flop raise size....everything looks standard to me. I wouldnt listen to stacks, what does he know 
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a500lbgorilla
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
I disagree.
Play solid tag poker if you're trying to grind. Experiment if you're trying to learn.
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Uhhhhhhhh.... http://www.pokerhand.org/?3449418
Be careful what you tell a 2nl player. |
He could have butchered every hand in his session of opening up and I still don't think it would be bad. If he's thinking about his game, taking a different approach to see how your decision making is altered could be very beneficial. It's all just fishing for those ah-ha! moments though.
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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ponyboy
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Okay...he raised J7o to try to steal (I hope) got repopped and managed to land a fluke two pair. 9 times out of 10 he's going to get the worst of that hand because he's going to land 2nd pair with a crappy kicker and still probably push.
I think what spoon is saying is that he should feel lucky about that hand, not good about his spectacular play and not do it in the future.
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spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
I disagree.
Play solid tag poker if you're trying to grind. Experiment if you're trying to learn.
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Uhhhhhhhh.... http://www.pokerhand.org/?3449418
Be careful what you tell a 2nl player. |
He could have butchered every hand in his session of opening up and I still don't think it would be bad. If he's thinking about his game, taking a different approach to see how your decision making is altered could be very beneficial. It's all just fishing for those ah-ha! moments though. |
Edit: Actually, nevermind. You're skewing the point almost intentionally.
Slevin's main problem at the moment is bankroll management and sticking to a solid, basic game to beat 2nl. What you have suggested will only hinder his process of growth right now.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Sugar Nut
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I 100% agree with spoon here.
Yes, experimenting is good to learn advanced concepts. But if you don't have the basics down you'll screw yourself eventually.
Let's say a 15 year old kid wants to be a racedriver one day. He better learn using clutch, gearshift (you americans all drive automatics but you get the point) and steering wheel properly before thinking about outmaneuvering the leader in the final corner of the indy500 using the slipstream to his advantage.
Sugar Nut
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nice Avatar change while I was posting this Spoon. Ohhh Yeaahh
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a500lbgorilla
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Originally Posted by Sugar Nut
I 100% agree with spoon here.
Yes, experimenting is good to learn advanced concepts. But if you don't have the basics down you'll screw yourself eventually.
Let's say a 15 year old kid wants to be a racedriver one day. He better learn using clutch, gearshift (you americans all drive automatics but you get the point) and steering wheel properly before thinking about outmaneuvering the leader in the final corner of the indy500 using the slipstream to his advantage.
Sugar Nut
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nice Avatar change while I was posting this Spoon. Ohhh Yeaahh
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so long as the kid doesn't kill himself or otherwise ruin his chances of being a racecar driver one day, I say that him even attempting a slipstream slide into first place is a valuable experience in the overall scheme of things!
I understand your points of building a solid foundation and you're not wrong. That's not to say that someone taking a day off from grinding and experimenting will hurt him.
To all those guys that just started playing nit because they know that being a nit is fundamentally a stronger base than being loose, they'll still one day need to learn how to loosen up a bit. Say slevin takes only one lesson away from his donkey loose-ity and that's that a large portion of his opponents play face up in 3 bet pots. He hasn't just read it in a forum, he's now experienced it and understands exactly what all those words were hinting at!
now when he's a nit he's confident in his option of every once in a while 3 betting some suited junk on the button because he trusts his cbetting the flop will make the move profitable. Then let the cogs start turning!
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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jyms
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If that same kid keeps writing off cars on turn 1, maybe he should stop dreaming and go learn the same way the rest of them did, in go-carts
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Chelle
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11-14-2008, 10:27 PM
Post subject: Re: A Friendly Reminder to Microstakes Players
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Two Pair
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
<LkySlevin2nl> as an experiment i've opened up a table and have opened my range up alot
<@spoonitnow> NO
* @spoonitnow slaps LkySlevin2nl around a bit with a large trout
<@spoonitnow> GODDAMN IT NO
<@spoonitnow> BAD SLEVIN
<@spoonitnow> BAD FUCKING SLEVIN
<@spoonitnow> NO
<LkySlevin2nl> it looks like i'm a maniac to the table but i'm playing the same positional and post flop play
<LkySlevin2nl> oh=(
<LkySlevin2nl> it's won me alot of buy ins
<@spoonitnow> Play solid, tagg poker
<LkySlevin2nl> oh ok
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Lol
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Robb
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Wow!! Great to see Chelle in the BC.
I would just say that for a 25nl player to go down and blow a few BI's at 2nl or 5nl on an experiment is one thing. For a player only rolled for 2nl, an experiment at his playing stakes isn't wise.
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sarbox68
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Originally Posted by jyms
If that same kid keeps writing off cars on turn 1, maybe he should stop dreaming and go learn the same way the rest of them did, in go-carts
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^^^ this
Slevin's still falling off his Huffy but figures he'll learn to stay upright better by repeatedly wrapping his cousin's 1098 S/R around assorted stationary objects.... 
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speedcake
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i thought it was a better idea to learn good TAGG poker, get that correct and learn to win. Then experiment.
I could be wrong
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a500lbgorilla
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Originally Posted by speedcake
i thought it was a better idea to learn good TAGG poker, get that correct and learn to win. Then experiment.
I could be wrong
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Assuming that you're playing against a bunch of looser, more passive players, you'll develop a small natural edge by being tighter and more aggressive.
If everyone is walking into the ring knowing to play tight, you need to actually learn how to loosen up to exploit their mistakes.
TAgg is right because of how other opponents tend to be wrong.
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by sarbox68
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Originally Posted by jyms
If that same kid keeps writing off cars on turn 1, maybe he should stop dreaming and go learn the same way the rest of them did, in go-carts
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^^^ this
Slevin's still falling off his Huffy but figures he'll learn to stay upright better by repeatedly wrapping his cousin's 1098 S/R around assorted stationary objects.... |
Goddamn dude I laughed my fucking balls off at this.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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speedcake
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
Assuming that you're playing against a bunch of looser, more passive players, you'll develop a small natural edge by being tighter and more aggressive.
If everyone is walking into the ring knowing to play tight, you need to actually learn how to loosen up to exploit their mistakes.
TAgg is right because of how other opponents tend to be wrong.
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True. Just that you gotta start somewhere and TAGG is where you start.
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swiggidy
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Rilla you're almost right, except you're talking on a higher level than a beginning player needs to worry about.
First is this:
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Originally Posted by Robb
I would just say that for a 25nl player to go down and blow a few BI's at 2nl or 5nl on an experiment is one thing. For a player only rolled for 2nl, an experiment at his playing stakes isn't wise.
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Second, if you're ignoring table selection then you're arguments are closer to correct. With table selection we make sure that when we walk into the ring we don't have the same game plan as everyone else.
This idea you have that everyone is a tight nit at low stakes is far from correct.
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sarbox68
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by sarbox68
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Originally Posted by jyms
If that same kid keeps writing off cars on turn 1, maybe he should stop dreaming and go learn the same way the rest of them did, in go-carts
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^^^ this
Slevin's still falling off his Huffy but figures he'll learn to stay upright better by repeatedly wrapping his cousin's 1098 S/R around assorted stationary objects.... |
Goddamn dude I laughed my fucking balls off at this. |
off topic... but u ride?
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spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by sarbox68
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by sarbox68
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Originally Posted by jyms
If that same kid keeps writing off cars on turn 1, maybe he should stop dreaming and go learn the same way the rest of them did, in go-carts
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^^^ this
Slevin's still falling off his Huffy but figures he'll learn to stay upright better by repeatedly wrapping his cousin's 1098 S/R around assorted stationary objects.... |
Goddamn dude I laughed my fucking balls off at this. |
off topic... but u ride? |
Not really but I knew enough to laugh outloud at that.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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PlayToWin
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Thread hijack continues.....
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
Goddamn dude I laughed my fucking balls off at this.
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^^^This
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Originally Posted by sarbox68
off topic... but u ride?
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I used to race a GSXR750 in WERA back in the day. Now I have a couple of Ducati's for the street. 
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