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Keith
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01-15-2009, 09:09 AM
Post subject: Freeroll Qualification
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Full House
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With the mass of new posters posting tottally irrelevant detritus in order to get their post counts up over the last few days can I suggest that qualification for the freerolls is only open to those members who have been making 'quality' (aiding their own and other peoples understanding of poker) over a six month period and this should be clearly stated.(just to be clear this would rule me out for 5 months, I here to learn not for the freeroll)
This will instantly deter the freeroll hunters who currently think 100 posts (although i believe thats changed) can be obtained in no time and that they'll be qualified for the next freeroll. Over the last day or two , it appears that the posts from people trying to learn are getting lost amidst the dross.
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Parasurama
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Full House
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I thought they were getting banned? I like this idea but idk how it would be decided objectively.
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Keith
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Full House
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obviously it would be up to xianti and the mods. Spenda and Will will know who is here posting trying to improve their own/others play and similarly for the other forums.
The main point being that if the freetrollers see that they are going to have to put the effort in 99.9% will bail out and just continue with the main sites freerolls or trawl for passwords elsewhere.
Another idea, in order for people to play in the FTR tourneys should they have to register the usernames that they play with on the various sites FTR operate on.Then people playing can be cross referenced against the forum username to check that the password hasn't been given out.
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Joblah123
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I agree, but now I'm pretty sure they stopped authorizing not valued enough members to see the FTP freeroll passwords.
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RoyalProdigy
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Well 6 months is a little long in my opinion, i don't think it would take that long to find out if someone is going to be a valuable member to the forum or not. But like a 2 months with a min of 100 quality posts should def be inforced. A 100 posts is a lot without spamming or just typing one sentence replies,expecially if you do more playing then typing to improve your game.
Freerolls are important to learning the game and building up your poker arsenal. Freerolls are also a very good way to build up a bankroll. I understand that keeping out the people who don't giva sh*t about improving their game and taking advantage of all the worthwhile info on this site is important, but its also important to give the people who are trying to contribute and really get better a fair shake and not make them have to wait like 6 months to play in a freeroll just because others want to abuse this priveledge.
I do agree with you that a standard needs to be put in place. Alright i gotta go to many tables popping up. lol
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kb coolman
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RML604
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I think something along the lines of 2 months and 50 posts, or even just some combo of x months and y posts would be a good way to filter people out. You don't want someone to sign up, never make any posts, but then after x months have access to all the freerolls around here. But at the same time, we saw recently that just putting a post limit in place leads to a lot of bullshit posts.
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jyms
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The criteria has been discussed by Xianti and the mods and we came to a conclusion that will not be discussed, so that the freerollers don't just come here and do what is expected.
I would be willing to bet that most people here would be able to make more playing $0.01/$0.02 cash games or $0.10 tourneys and never go back to freerolls before they even meet the criteria and manage to money one of them. anyone with $10 or $20 would be able to quadruple it within a month by being active enough to actually gain the credentials to be allowed to play. If you still need the freeroll money then maybe all the time spent here will allow you to get out of the freeroll loop of winning money and losing it again.
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atom2k8
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i dont agree with this fully as i think freerolling is a great way to apply wat u learn with no risk involved.i think spamers shud just be banned i dont c this being hard as the mods r pretty gud on this site but i dont agree with the six month thing jus because u have to wait six months b4 being able to test wat you have u can learn a lot in 6 months n id prefer to learn one or two things apply them then move on not wait
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RML604
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Originally Posted by atom2k8
i dont agree with this fully as i think freerolling is a great way to apply wat u learn with no risk involved.i think spamers shud just be banned i dont c this being hard as the mods r pretty gud on this site but i dont agree with the six month thing jus because u have to wait six months b4 being able to test wat you have u can learn a lot in 6 months n id prefer to learn one or two things apply them then move on not wait
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Realistically, one freeroll every month isn't going to help you implement newly learned concepts. It's not like you're going to learn something, apply it to a freeroll, and then move on and learn something else. New concepts take time and practice, one freeroll every now and then isn't going to make a difference.
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Keith
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Atom why can you only apply what you have learnt in the FTR freerolls?try iton the main sites freerolls first ( but bear in mind that you will be playing generally against people who see two cards and think they have a chance) .
If you don't have any money to deposit,there are sites out there that will give you free smallish initial deposits so that you can start to play cash games without risking your own money
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Micro2Macro
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Freerolls are not good for learning. Your cost is $0 therefore if you make -EV moves your not hurting yourself financially - you just overlook poor plays because 'it was a free tourney right', thus you won't learn a damn thing. Play cash games. If your making -EV moves in cash games (the results don't lie) you'll notice your losing money and you'll be forced to do something about your game to improve. It's too easy to play sloppy poker in freerolls, they don't teach anything about dicipline or patience. Cash games are a better means to develop these skills and if your desperately seeking a freeoll to enter, perhaps you should consider playing more cash games and taking time to analyze your play so you can improve. (This is to any freeroll hunters who think playing in this freeroll will somehow benefit them either financially or intellectually).
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atom2k8
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im not saying its the only way to learn im jus saying every extra game helps im part of another forum site dat gives me five a day as well as a few buy ins it all helps im jus saying 6 months is a bit over the top
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animal_chin
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I like how almost everyone in this thread looks like they could be a freetroller by their join date and post count.
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Micro2Macro
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Originally Posted by animal_chin
I like how almost everyone in this thread looks like they could be a freetroller by their join date and post count.
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The join date of this forum has no correlation with my poker experience. But you can assume so however you would like.
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jyms
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Nobody said it was six months to get qualified, but it has been said before. Those freerolls that FTR host are not public domain. They are FTR property and the admins decide who gets to play in them. This is not a freeroll site, it is a strategy site and poker community that sometimes hosts PRIVATE freerolls for its valued members, not registered people.
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RoyalProdigy
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Originally Posted by Micro2Macro
Freerolls are not good for learning. Your cost is $0 therefore if you make -EV moves your not hurting yourself financially - you just overlook poor plays because 'it was a free tourney right', thus you won't learn a damn thing. Play cash games. If your making -EV moves in cash games (the results don't lie) you'll notice your losing money and you'll be forced to do something about your game to improve. It's too easy to play sloppy poker in freerolls, they don't teach anything about dicipline or patience. Cash games are a better means to develop these skills and if your desperately seeking a freeoll to enter, perhaps you should consider playing more cash games and taking time to analyze your play so you can improve. (This is to any freeroll hunters who think playing in this freeroll will somehow benefit them either financially or intellectually).
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I don't completely agree with this statement. Freerolls are a good way to learn dicipline because of the temptation to play sloppy just because everyone else usually is. Winning a freeroll can be just as hard as winning a 1 dollar buy in MTT. Cash games you can sit on a 5 dollar stack at 1-2c and only play the top 20 starting hands but in a MTT or freeroll your forced to make choices at tough times. I do understand where your coming from though. There are plently of freeroll going on without the FTR freeroll. Its one freeroll. lol so if you join just for a freeroll you should just leave because like JYMS said by the time you get the password for the FTR freerolls you could probably quadruple a ten dollar buy in and i'm going to go a step further and say win more than one freeroll hosted by a poker site itself. With that said work on your game play other freerolls until you get to the point where your playing microstakes or low buy in MTT's and work on your game by talking with others here and read up on the strategy. I'm reading about MTT's right now and learning a few more tricks.  I'm here to learn and make a few friends and probably a few enemy's  Freerolls are EVERYWHERE but information and wisdom is not and either are the people who carry it.[/b]
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Stack That Arab Money!!!
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Micro2Macro
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Originally Posted by RoyalProdigy
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Originally Posted by Micro2Macro
Freerolls are not good for learning. Your cost is $0 therefore if you make -EV moves your not hurting yourself financially - you just overlook poor plays because 'it was a free tourney right', thus you won't learn a damn thing. Play cash games. If your making -EV moves in cash games (the results don't lie) you'll notice your losing money and you'll be forced to do something about your game to improve. It's too easy to play sloppy poker in freerolls, they don't teach anything about dicipline or patience. Cash games are a better means to develop these skills and if your desperately seeking a freeoll to enter, perhaps you should consider playing more cash games and taking time to analyze your play so you can improve. (This is to any freeroll hunters who think playing in this freeroll will somehow benefit them either financially or intellectually).
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I don't completely agree with this statement. Freerolls are a good way to learn dicipline because of the temptation to play sloppy just because everyone else usually is. Winning a freeroll can be just as hard as winning a 1 dollar buy in MTT. Cash games you can sit on a 5 dollar stack at 1-2c and only play the top 20 starting hands but in a MTT or freeroll your forced to make choices at tough times. I do understand where your coming from though. There are plently of freeroll going on without the FTR freeroll. Its one freeroll. lol so if you join just for a freeroll you should just leave because like JYMS said by the time you get the password for the FTR freerolls you could probably quadruple a ten dollar buy in and i'm going to go a step further and say win more than one freeroll hosted by a poker site itself. With that said work on your game play other freerolls until you get to the point where your playing microstakes or low buy in MTT's and work on your game by talking with others here and read up on the strategy. I'm reading about MTT's right now and learning a few more tricks. I'm here to learn and make a few friends and probably a few enemy's Freerolls are EVERYWHERE but information and wisdom is not and either are the people who carry it.[/b] |
I like this argument. Maybe we could say that if you treat a freeroll as if you just paid your buy in from your bankroll, it would be more beneficial than if you treat is as some sort of free bingo ticket.
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RoyalProdigy
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Micro2Macro thats the only way to treat it in my opinion because if you play like crap your not gonna win it and its just wasting your time. I won't lie sometimes i make calls i wouldnt make in a freeroll but its not because i'm like like F it its free, its because they are like F it its free and i can capitalize on them 90% of the time.
I agree way more beneficial if you treat it like a real game not a game of keno or bingo.
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Stack That Arab Money!!!
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Stacks
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Originally Posted by RoyalProdigy
Cash games you can sit on a 5 dollar stack at 1-2c and only play the top 20 starting hands but in a MTT or freeroll your forced to make choices at tough times.
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Are you insinuating that an MTT or a freeroll is more difficult than cash games?
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flomo
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Full House
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i vote to give jyms the freerolll use of the BANHAMMER
here jyms use this
whhoopps sorry wrong hammer
use this one
correct usage
ban at will jyms
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