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spoonitnow
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02-17-2008, 02:58 AM
Post subject: FREE POKER LESSONS INFO
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Straight Flush
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Step 1: Go read ISF's blog until you find a post about ranges or something that just totally confuses the dog shit out of you.
Step 2: Spend about 2-3 hours with it trying to figure it out.
Step 3: Report back with your findings.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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jyms
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IowaSkinsFan
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lol thanks
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Jamjoe
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Now when he calls I immediately decrease the likely hood of certain hands: sets, two pair, and fd’s. All can still be in his range on the turn but these are hands I’m expecting to be raised on the flop by a fair amount.
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Noob line of thought: but why do we expect him to raise with a FD? IThe only FD id be raising is one with TPTK with it, AsTs
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Ash256
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by Jamjoe
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Now when he calls I immediately decrease the likely hood of certain hands: sets, two pair, and fd’s. All can still be in his range on the turn but these are hands I’m expecting to be raised on the flop by a fair amount.
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Noob line of thought: but why do we expect him to raise with a FD? IThe only FD id be raising is one with TPTK with it, AsTs |
If I raise your flop bet (you have top pair good kicker) and you know my range for doing that is 2 pair and sets, you have a really easy fold.
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spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
lol thanks
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Honestly I think this has potential to be the most important BC post in like a year or more.
Btw I <3 your blog and interviews and all that stuff.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Jamjoe
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so he would raise with a FD looking for a fold and if we was called a free card on the turn?
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bode
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Straight Flush
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Originally Posted by Jamjoe
so he would raise with a FD looking for a fold and if we was called a free card on the turn?
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ding ding ding
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eeevees are not monies yet...they are like baby monies.
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spoonitnow
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Straight Flush
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Originally Posted by bode
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Originally Posted by Jamjoe
so he would raise with a FD looking for a fold and if we was called a free card on the turn?
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I told y'all it was free poker lessons.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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IowaSkinsFan
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Sorry, some of my writing is made for people who play in different games than beginners. But as Sauce123 says, its all the same game.
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Robb
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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
Let’s say standard tag raises in the CO to $7 in a 1 / 2 game, and I call with 76ss from the SB (changed to button before part quoted below). Pot is now $16 and the flop comes Jc4h3s, we check and opp cbets $14.
Range Manipulation:
Consider the same situation as before up to our opponents cbet to $14, but instead we have a flop Jx4s3s, an active board indeed. This time we have a fd and a straight draw. Now if we raise his cbet to say, $36, that’s going to put our opponent into a dilemma. He knows we can have a fd a lot here, and if he calls he is just going to let us hit it. So he is likely going to threebet his KJ+,33,44,JJ+ at least. But look what we did here, we made him play his range in a completely transparent fashion. So consider he calls the raise rather than threebets it, we can be pretty sure his range contains very little of his strong hands, and therefore, we can be much more aggressive as he’s likely to fold to a bet or two. Since his likely range is 55-TT, QJ, JT, J9, fd’s and straight draws, two barreling or an over-shove on the turn could fold them all out. By forcing him to play his strong hands and his weaker ones in two different ways, we made life much easier.
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As spoon suggested, it didn't take long for something to confuse the crap out of me. But I really like this. I think it might work EVEN BETTER at donkstakes than up in the stratosphere where ISF is playing because of the many microdonks who min-rr with their strongest hands.
I ran the stove on villain's call, using ISF's range estimate but leaving out improbable straight draws like 65o and 52o. That doesn't seem TAGG to me.
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Board: Jd 4s 3s
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 42.830% 42.79% 00.04% 27110 27.00 { 7s6s }
Hand 1: 57.170% 57.13% 00.04% 36196 27.00 { TT-66, AsKs, AsQs, AsJs, KsQs, QJs, J9s+, QJo, J9o+ }
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I was a bit surprised to see hero at 43% equity here. So we just need a little bit of fold equity for later streets. And thinking about it, given that the villain is well-chosen based on reads, I think we have it at NL10.
Now, in my game the pots are:
$0.80 on the flop
$1.50 after his cbet
Hero raises with a bet of $1.80, and gets called with the weak part of villain's range, for a total pot headed to the turn of $5.10. One problem here is effective stack size. But the benefit of doing this at donkstakes is the horrid bet sizing from opponents. If stacks are 100BB to start, we both have about $7.50 left. There's room here to bet the turn or to shove over a bet of $2.50 or less of which there will be many, imo. Either line has some fold equity.
But the most interesting thing to me is how often the donks will min-rr with the strong part of their range. In this example, villain would rr with KJ+,33,44,JJ+ another $1.80.
So the pot is $6.90 and it requires only $1.80 to call, for 3.7 to 1 pot odds. Now, against his "good" range, we have enough equity for a call (42%).
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Board: Jd 4s 3s
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 41.569% 41.57% 00.00% 20988 0.00 { 7s6s }
Hand 1: 58.431% 58.43% 00.00% 29502 0.00 { JJ+, 44-33, AJs, KJs, AJo, KJo }
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Now I'm worried I misinterpreted the actual betting when hero makes the small rr, but even if ISF meant for a raising of the cbet by betting $3.30 total, villain's min-rr would make it a $7.40 pot with $2.60 to call, or just slightly worse than 3 to 1.
But either way, a villain who habitually min-rr's strong holdings is giving us great odds on his good hands and odds + fold equity on the medium strength ones. All while very precisely defining his range by his response to our action. ++++EV. So this line imo is a great defense against the microdonks who min-rr all the time with their strongest hands.
Now I just have to have the balls and the reads to try it a couple of times.
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