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    Default FR UTG and pre flop ???

    In a FR game UTG what are you guys raising with??

    I am generally raising AJs+ and 1010 plus does this seem ok? Or is this too lose for FR?

    Also Preflop are you ever calling a shove or shoving with AK?
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    im a little looser than that AJs+ AQo KQs 77+ but my range gets wider as if i feel i can get away with it KQo and 89s+ or there are bad players in the blinds.

    and yes but not as standard only when the spot is right
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    Quote Originally Posted by gotigers1234 View Post
    In a FR game UTG what are you guys raising with??

    I am generally raising AJs+ and 1010 plus does this seem ok? Or is this too lose for FR?

    Also Preflop are you ever calling a shove or shoving with AK?
    LOL @ too loose

    AJs+, AQo+, 66+ but can be 22+ and SCs depending on table

    I'm happy to stack off with AK against looser, more aggressive players.
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    If I were to coach a complete beginner(at 2/4/5nl) I would probably start them off with AJs+,AQo,22+, basically mring the small PPs and teaching them why. At like 100NL I think a better UTG range would be like AQs+/AKo,77+,T9s,98s,87s basically because mid suited broadways are always dominated when we get to postflop and middling SCs still play really good(way better then small PPs) since we flop something decent like 25% of the time. Also I'd stay away from the T9s type shit UTG at micros UNLESS flop was going 4way+ a lot when we mr'd because you are going to be in tonnes of horrible reverse implied odds situations.

    If anyone disagrees with my 100NL std range I'd love to know why. Basically it avoids tough spots while still adding value to our UTG range. I used to be in the QJs+,AQo+,AJs+,66+ camp but I think that's doing poorer then the range I previously stated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Icanhastreebet View Post
    Also I'd stay away from the T9s type shit UTG at micros UNLESS flop was going 4way+ a lot when we mr'd because you are going to be in tonnes of horrible reverse implied odds situations.
    I'd rather tell beginners to open T9s than 22-66 UTG, but I'd probably just tell them to fold both until they don't suck horribly postflop.
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    Meh I think 22-66 is fine since no one can fold a pair and we'll have a huge SPR going to the flop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Icanhastreebet View Post
    Meh I think 22-66 is fine since no one can fold a pair and we'll have a huge SPR going to the flop.
    Have you seen the retarded bluffs with low PPs these BC bonks decide to randomly pull off with no equity? At least with T9s they'll have some equity most of the time!
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    Quote Originally Posted by d0zer View Post
    Have you seen the retarded bluffs with low PPs these BC bonks decide to randomly pull off with no equity? At least with T9s they'll have some equity most of the time!
    Ah ha QFT.

    Well I would also explain to them to play very fit or fold and generally to cbet once on good boards if they felt it was profitable. If they can't be disciplined postflop they probably have no discipline pre-flop either so it doesn't really matter what we tell them .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Icanhastreebet View Post
    Ah ha QFT.

    Well I would also explain to them to play very fit or fold and generally to cbet once on good boards if they felt it was profitable. If they can't be disciplined postflop they probably have no discipline pre-flop either so it doesn't really matter what we tell them .

    My postflop is bad... I try to just play fit or fold but I think most people catch on to this and exploit me. But I am generally not disciplined enough to play back without tilting and spazzing out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gotigers1234 View Post
    I think most people catch on to this and exploit me.
    Probably not, this is probably in your head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by d0zer View Post
    Probably not, this is probably in your head.
    You are prob right... I over analyze everything. lol
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    Almost nO doubt this Is in your head!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gotigers1234 View Post
    In a FR game UTG what are you guys raising with?? It depends on the table, but idk maybe like 7s+, AJo/ATs+,KQo+,KJs+. it can be a bit looser, but it really just depends on the table

    I am generally raising AJs+ and 1010 plus does this seem ok? Or is this too lose for FR? thats fine

    Also Preflop are you ever calling a shove or shoving with AK?Yes, but there are also spots where you shouldn't
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    Quote Originally Posted by kickass View Post
    Almost nO doubt this Is in your head!
    This is something I struggle with too - I presume that the 4NL folks I play against adjust to me, when if I'm honest in my HH analysis there really is precious little evidence of such adjustment.

    As someone who's still very new to poker and not that good post-flop, I'm really trying to get back to basics so seeing this kind of advice given to others is great, thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gotigers1234 View Post
    In a FR game UTG what are you guys raising with??
    what we're raising with doesn't matter too much. I don't have static ranges, and this isn't what you should be doing... nor should i for that matter, i think it's time to tighten up in ep, loosen up in lp and stop being retard in the blinds


    Quote Originally Posted by gotigers1234 View Post
    I am generally raising AJs+ and 1010 plus does this seem ok? Or is this too lose for FR?
    nothing wrong with your nit range at all. Learn to play those hands well from ep, then expand that range as you see fit.
    nothing wrong with AJs+/AQ+/88+/8Ts-QTs/89s-KQs either.


    Quote Originally Posted by gotigers1234 View Post
    Also Preflop are you ever calling a shove or shoving with AK?
    hell yeah, but obviously hugely player dependent. For example, I'm getting it in vs anyone with less than 60bb and >7%vpip pretty much always./
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    Quote Originally Posted by Icanhastreebet View Post
    If anyone disagrees with my 100NL std range I'd love to know why. Basically it avoids tough spots while still adding value to our UTG range. I used to be in the QJs+,AQo+,AJs+,66+ camp but I think that's doing poorer then the range I previously stated.
    paging bikes - assuming he's still in the "open any suited broadways from utg" camp
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    [QUOTE=hell yeah, but obviously hugely player dependent. For example, I'm getting it in vs anyone with less than 60bb and >7%vpip pretty much always./[/QUOTE]


    Greater than 7% ??? 8-14 would be a tight range right??
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    Quote Originally Posted by gotigers1234 View Post
    Greater than 7% ??? 8-14 would be a tight range right??
    the AND was really important in that statement. Holding AK you're greater than 40% against a shortstack's shoving range which generally means get it in. When players are a little bit deeper I don't go auto-shoving AK just cos someone has raised once or twice.
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    uhm i don't really see where the topic of 3bets came in but definitely don't just call and 'see where the flop takes ya'
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    Quote Originally Posted by daven View Post
    paging bikes - assuming he's still in the "open any suited broadways from utg" camp
    wat

    ?wut
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikes View Post
    wat
    i remember you telling me that you liked to open KJs etc from utg ages ago on irc, i think when you were in thailand. I remember you saying you had talked to renton about it etc. Yaawn asked why anyone thinks this is a good idea, you're good at explaining your thoughts re poker - hence my comment. Sufficient clarification?
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    quickly stated they play better postflop than 77-

    ?wut

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