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oskar
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11-09-2008, 07:25 AM
Post subject: FR opening range from the blinds on looooose passive table?
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4-of-a-Kind
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I've been in this situation a couple of times last week at 10NL/20NL:
4-6 players limp, or there's a minraise and a couple of calls, and I'm in the bb with AQo, AJs, KQs.
It takes a 15-20bb raise to get less than 4 people to the flop.
My options are: make the overraise and stack off with TPGK, otherwise give up. Or: Pop it up, get everyone to call and continue with caution.
Or even just check it - which I actually do with 99, ATs.
To complicate things, often enough I'm 200-400bb deep, and there's another big stack at the table who might be tempted to setmine against me here.
Let's take an almost best-case scenario where I have :Ah::Jh:, I make it 15bb to go against 5 limpers, and get 2 calls, and the flop is something like   :Js:.
This hits their range hard, and I have to bet it hard, and stack off to a reraise.
Now if I'm 200 deep, and another player has me covered this can become ugly. If I bet out full pot, then there's almost 100bb in the pot, and an overshove for 150bb effective is really tough, and does happen.
So I'm really kind of lost here, if the situation just sucks but is still profitable, or if I should just curse the poker gods for giving me good hand in the blinds, and play a multi-way pot like a nit.
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spoonitnow
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You can always just call with the AJs and KQs and muck AQo OOP.
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settecba
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mucking AQo from the SB could be the best option here spoon? when and why?
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eternal
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first i would keep AQo in my range and drop the AJs, AJ gets me into way more trouble than AQ does, I'm playing those hands trying to pair the ace, and i play weaker suited aces for the flush. Maybe thats a bad strat on my part but at least I know what to do, fold weak paired aces and stay with draws, opposite for aq aj. On that flop i'm putting at least a psb down, folding to a re raise. Its exactly what I would want getting action pf and hitting top-top, though a little scary.
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Muzzard
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AJs and KQs suited have good multiway equity and thus are fine to complete. AQo isnt a good limping hand and with this many ppl in the pot is probably a reverse implied odds hand if you raise here.
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Fnord
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You should show a profit completing with AJo and AQo here. Just don't go stupid broke with top pair.
Raising depends on how deep the money is, image, etc. Raising AQ/AJ is certainly an option.
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AQo will be good for a limp because if you flop top pair you won't get stacked. DOUCY?
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settecba
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Originally Posted by iopq
AQo will be good for a limp because if you flop top pair you won't get stacked. DOUCY?
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mmm..no...Im not sure what you mean. Could you explain?
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