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Old 09-19-2010, 02:24 AM     Post subject: folding top 2? #1 (permalink)  
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MP2 ($13.35)
CO ($10)
Button ($12.87)
SB ($2.92)
BB ($10.39)
UTG ($13.35)
Hero (MP1) ($10.12)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q, K
1 fold, Hero bets $0.40, 1 fold, CO calls $0.40, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.95) 5, K, J (2 players)
Hero bets $0.80, CO raises to $1.70, Hero calls $0.90

Turn: ($4.35) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $7.90 (All-In), Hero?

villain is 18/5 over 40 and has raised 1 out of 3 cbets before and he did it with the nut flush draw, and he shoved the turn when he hit his flush

so basically in this hand, can he have KJ AK and flush draws enough to call here or is this sets + AdQd+ QdTd+AdTd+Td9d?
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Old 09-19-2010, 03:48 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 I'm not sure why you called the flop considering you're crushed.

To demonstrate what I'm talking about, against a range of {55, JJ, AK, all diamond-diamond combos left in the deck} you're only 47.212% (as shown below).

Passive players don't often have a weak range when they call pre-flop then raise you on a board that slaps your range in the face.

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Board: 5c Kd Jd
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    equity     win     tie           pots won     pots tied    
Hand 0:     47.212%      47.02%     00.20%              33047           138.50   { KcQh }
Hand 1:     52.788%      52.59%     00.20%              36966           138.50   { JJ, 55, AKs, AdQd, AdJd, AdTd, Ad9d, Ad8d, Ad7d, Ad6d, Ad5d, Ad4d, Ad3d, Ad2d, KdQd, KJs, KdTd, Kd9d, Kd8d, Kd7d, Kd6d, Kd5d, Kd4d, Kd3d, Kd2d, QdJd, QdTd, Qd9d, Qd8d, Qd7d, Qd6d, Qd5d, Qd4d, Qd3d, Qd2d, JdTd, Jd9d, Jd8d, Jd7d, Jd6d, Jd5d, Jd4d, Jd3d, Jd2d, Td9d, Td8d, Td7d, Td6d, Td5d, Td4d, Td3d, Td2d, 9d8d, 9d7d, 9d6d, 9d5d, 9d4d, 9d3d, 9d2d, 8d7d, 8d6d, 8d5d, 8d4d, 8d3d, 8d2d, 7d6d, 7d5d, 7d4d, 7d3d, 7d2d, 6d5d, 6d4d, 6d3d, 6d2d, 5d4d, 5d3d, 5d2d, 4d3d, 4d2d, 3d2d, AKo }
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Rule # 1: don't ask questions

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Old 09-19-2010, 01:57 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 Yeah fold zee flop bra, you equity is gonna be pretty balls here when you give him like KJs and then take out a huge amount of spoonuh's flush draws lol.

 
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Old 09-19-2010, 02:28 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Yeah fold zee flop bra, you equity is gonna be pretty balls here when you give him like KJs and then take out a huge amount of spoonuh's flush draws lol.
What can I say, I like extreme examples.
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I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.

Rule # 1: don't ask questions

Rule # 2: don't ask questions

I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
 
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Old 09-19-2010, 04:31 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 certainly gets the point across!

 
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