Is folding an option here?

**seven-deuce** · 05-03-2012 04:59 PM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (5 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (SB) ($2.52)
BB ($2.99)
UTG ($0.67)
MP ($0.90)
Button ($2.10)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 5

, 5

1 fold, MP calls $0.02, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.01, BB checks

Flop: ($0.06) J

, 8

(3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP bets $0.06, Hero raises to $0.18, BB calls $0.18, 1 fold

Turn: ($0.48) 5

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.33, BB raises to $0.74, Hero raises to $2.32 (All-In), BB calls $1.58

River: ($5.12) 9

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $5.12 | Rake: $0.18

On turn 9 combos beat us we beat a lot more than that all 8x combos that arent houses on the turn. No reads on villain..

**Icanhastreebet** · 05-03-2012 05:23 PM

Ofcourse, it's always an option until you're all-in. I would never fold here.

edit: Also fold flop easy. Your hand has no equity what so ever v any range.

**OngBonga** · 05-03-2012 06:17 PM

I'd be folding flop.

Turn is brutal. No way can I fold this at 2nl, but bb c/c a bet and raise, he's hit this flop. If this were 10nl and I had no reason to believe the bb is an idiot, I'd b/f turn as played. But this is 2nl against an unknown, and we have to assume villain is stacking all 8x combos

**d0zer** · 05-03-2012 06:37 PM

wat you fold this at 10NL? villain has a naked 8 way more than he's got a higher boat here regardless of his competency, and if he was competent, he'd just lead flop with everything 8 & better.

Also just call turn & stack river.

**OngBonga** · 05-03-2012 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by d0zer

wat you fold this at 10NL?

I would consider folding at 10nl. I would not seriously consider folding at 2nl. I wouldn't be stacking a naked 8 on the turn, so if this guy raises my turn bet after cold calling a flop raise, I'm not putting him on a naked 8 unless there's a good chance he's an idiot. And I use the term idiot relatively, ie more of an idiot than myself. Most people at 2nl are more idiotic than I am, so I wouldn't fold against an unknown, but at 10nl, I'm Mr Average, and I'm not stacking a naked 8 on the turn like a moron, so why would I expect a random unknown to? At 2nl we're unlucky when we lose this spot, but I think that at as low stakes as 10nl, yeah this should at least be seriously considered as a fold.

**d0zer** · 05-03-2012 07:57 PM

I think it's quite +EV to stack Q8, K8, A8 if I were BB, but raising the turn is pretty lol.

**seven-deuce** · 05-03-2012 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by d0zer

raising the turn is pretty lol.

Please explain, most guys at 0.02NL will jam any 8 here

**d0zer** · 05-03-2012 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by seven-deuce

Please explain, most guys at 0.02NL will jam any 8 here

Well it's a good way to get someone to fold everything worse than an 8, so it really limits your value range. I'm talking about villain's raise.

Your jam is pretty meh also, but at least you're v-betting all the 8s (we don't block them by having one ourselves), and villain seems pretty in love with his hand so it can't be too bad, but if he's in love with his hand he'll probably stack river anyway, so calling keeps his range wider...but the way the flop went down there's no way he has air, so I guess we should jam the turn to get value from 98 and a J in case he's retarded enough to have those and he gets an undesirable river.

**Fnord** · 05-03-2012 09:02 PM

If you don't want to get all the monies into the pot, then don't lead the turn into a pretty scary flop range.

**daven** · 05-03-2012 11:22 PM

fold flop, don't fold turn

**chatzilla** · 05-04-2012 08:59 AM

as played never folding @ any stakes :P

**gotigers1234** · 05-04-2012 12:20 PM

Is anyone just folding this pre??

**kickass** · 05-04-2012 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by gotigers1234

Is anyone just folding this pre??

no

**d0zer** · 05-04-2012 01:29 PM

it's only ONE PENNY

**Luco** · 05-04-2012 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by d0zer

it's only ONE PENNY

+1

(see wut I did thur)

05-03-2012 04:59 PM #1
seven-deuce View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Feb 2011 Posts 440 Location playing my range like an idiot	Is folding an option here? PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (5 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com Hero (SB) ($2.52) BB ($2.99) UTG ($0.67) MP ($0.90) Button ($2.10) Preflop: Hero is SB with 5, 5 1 fold, MP calls $0.02, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.01, BB checks Flop: ($0.06) J, 8, 8 (3 players) Hero checks, BB checks, MP bets $0.06, Hero raises to $0.18, BB calls $0.18, 1 fold Turn: ($0.48) 5 (2 players) Hero bets $0.33, BB raises to $0.74, Hero raises to $2.32 (All-In), BB calls $1.58 River: ($5.12) 9 (2 players, 1 all-in) Total pot: $5.12 \| Rake: $0.18 On turn 9 combos beat us we beat a lot more than that all 8x combos that arent houses on the turn. No reads on villain..
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05-03-2012 05:23 PM #2
Icanhastreebet View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2009 Posts 1,410 Location IRC, Come join me!	Ofcourse, it's always an option until you're all-in. I would never fold here. edit: Also fold flop easy. Your hand has no equity what so ever v any range.
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05-03-2012 06:17 PM #3
OngBonga View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2010 Posts 5,296 Location England	I'd be folding flop. Turn is brutal. No way can I fold this at 2nl, but bb c/c a bet and raise, he's hit this flop. If this were 10nl and I had no reason to believe the bb is an idiot, I'd b/f turn as played. But this is 2nl against an unknown, and we have to assume villain is stacking all 8x combos
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05-03-2012 06:37 PM #4
d0zer View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2007 Posts 4,214	wat you fold this at 10NL? villain has a naked 8 way more than he's got a higher boat here regardless of his competency, and if he was competent, he'd just lead flop with everything 8 & better. Also just call turn & stack river.

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05-03-2012 07:52 PM #5
OngBonga View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2010 Posts 5,296 Location England	Originally Posted by d0zer wat you fold this at 10NL? I would consider folding at 10nl. I would not seriously consider folding at 2nl. I wouldn't be stacking a naked 8 on the turn, so if this guy raises my turn bet after cold calling a flop raise, I'm not putting him on a naked 8 unless there's a good chance he's an idiot. And I use the term idiot relatively, ie more of an idiot than myself. Most people at 2nl are more idiotic than I am, so I wouldn't fold against an unknown, but at 10nl, I'm Mr Average, and I'm not stacking a naked 8 on the turn like a moron, so why would I expect a random unknown to? At 2nl we're unlucky when we lose this spot, but I think that at as low stakes as 10nl, yeah this should at least be seriously considered as a fold.
	Last edited by OngBonga; 05-03-2012 at 07:55 PM. Originally Posted by wufwugy ongies gonna ong
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05-03-2012 07:57 PM #6
d0zer View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2007 Posts 4,214	I think it's quite +EV to stack Q8, K8, A8 if I were BB, but raising the turn is pretty lol.

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05-03-2012 08:06 PM #7
seven-deuce View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Feb 2011 Posts 440 Location playing my range like an idiot	Originally Posted by d0zer raising the turn is pretty lol. Please explain, most guys at 0.02NL will jam any 8 here
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05-03-2012 08:15 PM #8
d0zer View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2007 Posts 4,214	Originally Posted by seven-deuce Please explain, most guys at 0.02NL will jam any 8 here Well it's a good way to get someone to fold everything worse than an 8, so it really limits your value range. I'm talking about villain's raise. Your jam is pretty meh also, but at least you're v-betting all the 8s (we don't block them by having one ourselves), and villain seems pretty in love with his hand so it can't be too bad, but if he's in love with his hand he'll probably stack river anyway, so calling keeps his range wider...but the way the flop went down there's no way he has air, so I guess we should jam the turn to get value from 98 and a J in case he's retarded enough to have those and he gets an undesirable river.

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05-03-2012 09:02 PM #9
Fnord View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2003 Posts 19,380 Location I'll Do You Like A Truck	If you don't want to get all the monies into the pot, then don't lead the turn into a pretty scary flop range.
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05-03-2012 11:22 PM #10
daven View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message trolling freetrollers Join Date Aug 2007 Posts 7,089 Location soaking up ethanol, moving on up	fold flop, don't fold turn
	don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit allin, reload, repeat please read: http://www.philgalfond.com/lets-make-some-changes/
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05-04-2012 08:59 AM #11
chatzilla View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2009 Posts 364 Location Melbourne, Australia	as played never folding @ any stakes :P

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05-04-2012 12:20 PM #12
gotigers1234 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2010 Posts 193 Location Looking at Mold	Is anyone just folding this pre??

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05-04-2012 01:22 PM #13
kickass View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Nov 2010 Posts 887 Location St. Shawshanks Infant School	Originally Posted by gotigers1234 Is anyone just folding this pre?? no
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05-04-2012 01:29 PM #14
d0zer View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2007 Posts 4,214	it's only ONE PENNY

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05-04-2012 01:32 PM #15
Luco View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Still a fish Join Date Mar 2009 Posts 2,291	Originally Posted by d0zer it's only ONE PENNY +1 (see wut I did thur)
	Originally Posted by spoonitnow Worse doesn't call, better doesn't fold, blah blah same shit different day.
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