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BoondockSaint
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08-25-2004, 06:04 PM
Post subject: Folding KK before the flop
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Indiana
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Do any of you do this. If 2 non short stacked people go all in in front of you will you still go all in with KK.
Yesterday I was playing at a hog poker and the buy in is 200x the big blind believe it or not so you can see tons and tons of hands cheap as hell. Well a 40 dollar table the blinds are only .10 and .20 cents. Well I have KK and the dude on my right bets 80 cents i raise him 2 bucks and there are 5 callers. Normally this does fold the majority people out or I would have raised more. Luckily the dude who initially raised reraised to 5 and I raised him all in. TURNS OVER AA. Then I missed a straight by just a J. What sucks is it was the last hand I was playing before I was gonna quit for the night.
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The max buy in is extremely phat cause you can see so many hands cheap. Most of the time u can see almost every flop for just the BB. Every once in awhile you get a person that raises every hand to 80 cents no matter what. I have run into 2 players that would raise with absolutely anything like 5-10 bucks after the flop. One of em I saw lose 160 bucks in a matter of about 15-20 minutes doing that. But even with the cheap cards I wouldnt recommend it. This site has more unusual flops than anywhere I have ever seen. Out of about 100 hands I saw a 3 suited flop like 7-8 times. I have seen full houses beat by higher full houses at least half the time someone has a full house. 2 pair seems to almost always get beat by a better 2 pair. U seem to flop an unusually high number of straight and flush draws when they seem to connect way the hell less than they should. It just seems strange. It may not be rigged since I have only played maybe like 500 hands there but out of all the sites I have played this is by far the most suspicious of all RNGs I have ever seen. But like I said it is a small random sample so I could be wrong. This site and doyle brunsons poker site I believe share all their tables. They use the same setup with Action Points and everything. And their bonuses suck. The system never recognizes your bonus code and u have to bitch to their support to get anything. Also its odd because all their online managers say things like "how r u." and "ty np" I'm used to managers actually spelling out what they want to say. I think its a bunch of kids running it. They also want you to fax your drivers license, bank statement, and utility bill just to cash out. I havent done that and am hoping I can just bitch at em and they will put my money back in my neteller account. Since I deposited there I dont see why they wouldnt. It not like I am withdrawing to a different account. I don't even get a utility bill lol.
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Krapp
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08-25-2004, 06:10 PM
Post subject: Re: Folding KK before the flop
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Flush
Join Date: Aug 2004
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Originally Posted by BoondockSaint
Do any of you do this. If 2 non short stacked people go all in in front of you will you still go all in with KK.
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I definately would. I do believe you still are the favorite (assuming noone has Aces) by maybe 60%+ and you are getting 2:1 on your money. I remember in the Super System book. Bronson would consider folding KK if he absolutely knew the opp had AA. Maybe opp is very tight and all-ins with AA only
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BoondockSaint
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2004
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There was only 1 time I considered folding KK preflop and it was when this dude who hadnt played hardly anything and when he did it was always a limp and I obviously had KK and bet 3 bucks he raised me 5 and I let the time go all the way down to almost gone and then went all in. He called and turned over QJs. Never quite understood that one when someone can be what seems like tight passive and then does that and turns over QJs. I laughed I couldn't believe I actually thought about folding my KK.
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Staple Gun
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Full House
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Gamblers Anonymous
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I never would fold K-K preflop because the other people most likely have an ace or a pocket pair, so if no ace comes you probably have about an 80% chance of winning. No ace will come like 70% of the time but assuming at least one of your opponents has an ace u'll be getting very good pot odds, about 56% pot odds on tripling up (With the exception of the maybe 10% of the time someone has Aces). Maybe i wouldnt do it if you were in a MTT and only a couple people away from making it in the money, but aside from that I personally would do it everytime.
(note the statistics in the are not exact but they should be very close)
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allLiving
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Full House
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Los Angeles
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I'll never fold KK preflop unless I know my opponents betting patterns and his style very well to put him on AA...
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VeraN
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Join Date: Jul 2004
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In some situations folding it might be a wise choice but it's all based on reads you have on those players. The reason why folding it would be a bad idea is because:
1- Those two players most likely have cards like AK, AQ, or AJ so you know that only two aces in the deck can cripple you. Not only that, there might have been someone else on the table with A but a low kicker like A4, A6 etc who folded.
2- If they have pockets, you're in the lead. The only hand that will dominate you is AA, that's why you need to have a good read before laying your KK down.
3- If it was a tournament laying KK down would not be a wise choice assuming you have more chips than them. If those two were short stacks then you have a good chance of taking both of them out while if they do beat you, you won't suffer as much.
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