Originally Posted by whopper1967

i was wondering because they seem to run into aces....ALOT..

Originally Posted by Chopper

martin, you are the only person i know that would admit that. i guess you are the only "honest" poker player.

OP, if you dont have a super read....dont even think about it. i have been 100% sure sometimes, made the call anyway, been wrong, and won the hand.

you need to be more than 100% sure.

Originally Posted by Chopper

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

102,738,240 games 0.005 secs 20,547,648,000 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 37.205% 32.18% 05.03% 33058446 5164878.00 { KK }
Hand 1: 62.795% 57.77% 05.03% 59350038 5164878.00 { KK+, QdQh, AKs }


specific holding of QQ gives us a greatly reduced chance of them being in his range, but acknowledging that they exist. it could also be KK sometimes. and not all the time, but maybe around 1 in 4 times, it can be AK. hence, the AKs.

i am never more certain than this, even against "rocks."

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

same thread different month

Originally Posted by Ltrain

For me its still a 3 or 4 bet push pf, but I have not seen anything but aces on the calls for some time. On the other hand, I have seen KK to AA happen at slightly less frequency than quads.

Last night, two KK push calls facing Aces both times, but at least the one I lost was a half stack (fnord adjusment) and on the other I spiked the K for a full stack :P

Originally Posted by curtom

I have no problem folding KK early in a tournament if I am facing an all-in or HUGE re-raise pre-flop. No big deal. Otherwise, I am going to call a raise or re-raise to see where I'm at. NEVER get busted with KK pre-flop early in a tournament. That's a major NO NO.

Originally Posted by curtom

I have no problem folding KK early in a tournament if I am facing an all-in or HUGE re-raise pre-flop. No big deal. Otherwise, I am going to call a raise or re-raise to see where I'm at. NEVER get busted with KK pre-flop early in a tournament. That's a major NO NO.

Originally Posted by curtom

I have no problem folding KK early in a tournament if I am facing an all-in or HUGE re-raise pre-flop. No big deal. Otherwise, I am going to call a raise or re-raise to see where I'm at. NEVER get busted with KK pre-flop early in a tournament. That's a major NO NO.

Originally Posted by FppPro

Something I am going to be looking at doing in the next few days (whenever my next day off of work is) and I challenge everyone else to do it.

Go through your DB of KK hands, search for every time you got yourself all in Pre Flop, against people with at least 75% + of a full stack, and see how often you are NOT against AA.

I think you will find that AA is the single biggest hand you are up against and that the whole "Never fold KK Pre Flop for 100 BB" is something that should be held to Live games, opponent specific and pre UIGEA (or however it's abbreviated).

I could be wrong, but that's why I'm going to be looking at my database.

Originally Posted by FppPro

Something I am going to be looking at doing in the next few days (whenever my next day off of work is) and I challenge everyone else to do it.

Go through your DB of KK hands, search for every time you got yourself all in Pre Flop, against people with at least 75% + of a full stack, and see how often you are NOT against AA.

I think you will find that AA is the single biggest hand you are up against and that the whole "Never fold KK Pre Flop for 100 BB" is something that should be held to Live games, opponent specific and pre UIGEA (or however it's abbreviated).

I could be wrong, but that's why I'm going to be looking at my database.

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

if you opponet doesnt have AA just once, you just made a -ev decision. do u c y?

Originally Posted by FppPro

Something I am going to be looking at doing in the next few days (whenever my next day off of work is) and I challenge everyone else to do it.

Go through your DB of KK hands, search for every time you got yourself all in Pre Flop, against people with at least 75% + of a full stack, and see how often you are NOT against AA.

I think you will find that AA is the single biggest hand you are up against and that the whole "Never fold KK Pre Flop for 100 BB" is something that should be held to Live games, opponent specific and pre UIGEA (or however it's abbreviated).

I could be wrong, but that's why I'm going to be looking at my database.

Originally Posted by euphoricism

I think the times you stack off with KK against AA will equal the times everyone else stacks off with KK against *your* AA. Thus they wash, and you can't really lose money doing it.

Originally Posted by euphoricism

I think the times you stack off with KK against AA will equal the times everyone else stacks off with KK against *your* AA. Thus they wash, and you can't really lose money doing it.

Originally Posted by EvIlK3Rn3L

have i ever folded KK pre flop? hmm, probably not, but i much rather have KJ suited than plain KK, Mathematically KK is a real good hand, but it just seems to let me down so much so that i almoast preffer QQ, no logic to it i know but hey im a noob