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03-16-2008, 10:55 PM
Post subject: folding 77 to a pfr.
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)
MP ($29.75)
CO ($24.50)
Button ($29.30)
Hero ($37.50)
BB ($24.90)
UTG ($14.65)
Preflop: Hero is SB with  ,  .
3 folds, Button raises to $1, Hero calls $0.90, 1 fold.
V is 15/15/inf/40
fold pre?
It's a button raise from a fairly agro V. This doesn't mean much. I can raise here to defend, but if that's +EV then it's marginal and dependent on post-flop stats that I don't have on this guy.
If his range is as loose as it should be here, we can't expect to have the implied odds we need against him for the 10x or 15x rule. This is 30x, but how often is he really going broke here if we hit a 7? And with such a big range how can we play optimally post-flop OOP?
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thizzSantaCruz
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if hes stealing a lot mix it up between 3betting and calling. At 25 i think if he hits TP and you have a set he is going to stack off so calling is never bad.
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Flopping quads and boats like its my job
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meeloche
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Just set camp with small to med pp's in this spot.
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mike4066
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Meelo's right
Set farm, at which point I'd lead into him if you hit.
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Cocco_Bill
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standard is to reraise vs an aggro button.
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pgil
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you can't setfarm against an aggro button steal. You will be folding the best hand too often and not getting nearly enough those rare times you do hit.
If you are going to flat call with it, you are going to have to play poker postflop. Throw out some occasional leads, a couple of CR's, some c/c lines, and some c/f lines at him depending on board texture, his actions/reactions etc. Playing a marginal hand oop is difficult, but it can be profitable if done well against mediocre-bad opponents.
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Thanks pgil and Cocco_Bill, but I just want to check my logic on how to play the rest of the hand.
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Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill
standard is to reraise vs an aggro button.
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So we assume he's stealing light, we 3-bet and probably take it down a good portion of the time. When we don't, assuming a c-bet conducive flop, we c-bet most of the time repping a bigger pair and fold to resistance?
This is all without a read. These situations come up a lot at 25nl on stars because the player pool is humongous.
My only reservation is that if we can assume the player is good enough to raise light in LP, I don't really see a huge skill advantage playing a med-low pair OOP on the flop.
And one more question, what if the button or CO open-limps? Do we want to build a headache here against an unknown fish with 77? My standard line is to limp and b/f big boards.
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lots of bad players open lighter from LP when folded to. There are probably a lot of Ax hands in their range. They don't play well post flop (the hands and the players). You can probably get away with attempting to rep a K/Q on a single broadway flop a lot of the time. There are a lot of options, especially considering your opponent is most likely going to be c-betting close to 100%.
depends on the player in the BTN/CO. A couple of orbits should be enough to know if you will need any extra padding in the pot to stack him with a set. It should also let you know if he is going to be calling a lot of raises pf only to play fit or fold. No real problem turning 77 into a bluff on a lot of flops against players who love to fold. You may want to raise just to make sure it is a HU pot if the BB can be troublesome.
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if hes aggro enough that folding > calling then 3betting should be > folding.
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meeloche
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Against good players above 100nl its either 3 bet or fold right?
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3bet for me
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Pelion
if hes aggro enough that folding > calling then 3betting should be > folding.
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v. nice.
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If you don't think he has a big pair, you should be raising. Because 77 is a better hand than any hand that is not a higher pair.
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