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Razvan729
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01-13-2011, 08:58 AM
Post subject: fold turn?
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Full House
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Bucuresti, Romania
Posts: 833
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opp is unknown, i just at the table, my second hand here,
pre i give him 99+ AQs+, flop just set and overpairs.... can/should fold turn?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
saw flop
CO ($0.80)
Hero (Button) ($5)
SB ($1.85)
BB ($2)
UTG ($0.98)
UTG+1 ($8.04)
MP1 ($2.06)
MP2 ($2.40)
Preflop: Hero is Button with  , 
4 folds, CO (poster) checks, Hero bets $0.10, 1 fold, BB raises to $0.32, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.22
Flop: ($0.67)  ,  ,  (2 players)
BB bets $0.54, Hero calls $0.54
Turn: ($1.75)  (2 players)
BB bets $1.14 (All-In),
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deucesomething
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3-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 104
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I just 4b and get it in pre vs this guy, he's got less than half a stack and QQ crushes the range you assigned him. Once you decide to call the flop you can't ever be folding this turn.
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Razvan729
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Full House
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i thought to 4bet, but then decided to see the flop and reevaluate... i am also thinking calling here, but i cant see why.... he takes the line with overpairs and sometimes AKdd, only set possible is 99 from preflop range, so i only beat 10,JJ, AKdd and i am beat by 99, KK, AA. in theory on this turn range i have equity to call, but for some reason o am not sure.
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Hoopy
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I like your line pre, getting it in on the flop should be +EV.
As played definitely call this turn.
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deucesomething
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3-of-a-Kind
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against a range of KK+,JJ-99,AdKd you have 46% equity and need only 39% for it to be a +ev call.
Check out this thread if you haven't already: How To: Analyze Calling An All-i
Also why did you call the flop if you weren't planning on stacking off ott on pretty much the safest card in the deck?
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deucesomething
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3-of-a-Kind
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopyDude
I like your line pre, getting it in on the flop should be +EV.
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While getting it in otf can't be bad, letting him barrel the turn is better imo. There aren't many bad turn cards for you at all and once you make the flop call you're (supposed to be) calling any turn so might as well give him the chance to spew shove his air and worse hands.
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Razvan729
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Full House
Join Date: Nov 2010
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did pokerstove before posting and already read calling all in thread, just posted here to make sure that more experienced players agree to the range i give him every street and you agree my call. cause i did call and he showed KK, river was blank. just wanted to know if some could have found a fold here against an unknown, cause on this board i cant fold QQ+ or even JJ against unkowns . glad to hear you wount fold also.
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daven
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Straight Flush
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stove the flop situation vs 99+ cos calling this flop is the commitment decision in this hand. Are you better than 40% vs this range? you should discount TT/JJ in this spot too, cos your hand looks like JJ/QQ etc
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Miffed22001
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Straight Flush
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You had no plan once you saw a 3bet otherwise the flop and turn decision based on the cards that fell should have been really trivial - if he has AA/KK then you just go 'meh' and move on - based upon what you already knew you were going to do of course.
As this is your 2nd hand and its likely your opponent is playing ABC, if they are even thinking about it, and your hand is face up, fold turn as played as his line screams AA/KK
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