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deacon_bluez

04-22-2008, 10:47 PM Post subject: fold top set?

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I know my bet size on the flop was terrible. What about the turn? Correct to fold it?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($25.05)
SB ($24.85)
BB ($5.05)
UTG ($24.75)
UTG+1 ($27.15)
MP1 ($25)
MP2 ($23.30)
MP3 ($6.05)
Hero ($23.30)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J

, J

.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $1, 3 folds, Hero calls $1, 2 folds, BB calls $0.75.

Flop: ($3.10) 4

, J

, 2

(3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets $1.75, Hero raises to $3.5, BB folds, UTG+1 calls $1.75.

Turn: ($10.10) A

(2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $6.5, UTG+1 raises to $22.65, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $23.10

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Muzzard

04-22-2008, 11:34 PM

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Without calculating this fully I think this is call due to pot odds as their range is not only made flushes. Effective stacks you only have to call 12 to put yourself all in, so pot will be 46 total.

12/46 = 26%

You have 22% equity vs made flushes ONLY, add in some other hands and it's a call.

sarbox68

04-22-2008, 11:37 PM

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No reads on this guy? Unless you're telling me otherwise, I'm assuming he's raising PP or AK/AQ/AJ/KQ... I'm not including lower SCs unless u give me some reads to support it.

BTW... you don't have top set by the turn...

So on the turn you lose to AA, AhJh+. You bet all the other Axs and 22, 44. Plus if it's the flush, you got 9 outs to boat and 1 to quad. I'm calling and making some notes if he shows down A-set or a flush - there's just too much of his range that you beat at these levels and w/ no reads.

JinxT4

04-22-2008, 11:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sarbox68

No reads on this guy? Unless you're telling me otherwise, I'm assuming he's raising PP or AK/AQ/AJ/KQ... I'm not including lower SCs unless u give me some reads to support it.

BTW... you don't have top set by the turn...

So on the turn you lose to AA, AhJh+. You bet all the other Axs and 22, 44. Plus if it's the flush, you got 9 outs to boat and 1 to quad. I'm calling and making some notes if he shows down A-set or a flush - there's just too much of his range that you beat at these levels and w/ no reads.

Aren't the Ah & Jh on the board? Also, it seems like villain has either AA or AK/AQ here more than a flush.

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04-22-2008, 11:50 PM

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Aren't the Ah & Jh on the board? Also, it seems like villain has either AA or AK/AQ here more than a flush.

Ha! And that's exactly why I get mad equity playing two deck hold 'em....

So now I'm only worried about KQs and AA ... point is the same. You either dead to the overset or, more likely, you're still good.... so call.

JinxT4

04-23-2008, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by sarbox68

Quote:

Originally Posted by JinxT4

Aren't the Ah & Jh on the board? Also, it seems like villain has either AA or AK/AQ here more than a flush.

Ha! And that's exactly why I get mad equity playing two deck hold 'em....

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04-23-2008, 04:31 AM

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The flop min-raise was a huge mistake, you raise it properly you can call a shove here easily.

That being said unless you know the UTG+1 raiser raises KQs or is an idiot this is a snap call, if he hit a two outer on you with AA c'est la vie.

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ext results appended to pokerstove.txt

8,580 games 0.001 secs 8,580,000 games/sec

Board: 4c Jh 2h Ah
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 13.503% 13.50% 00.00% 1065 0.00 { 88+, ATs+, KQs, AQo+ }
Hand 1: 86.497% 86.50% 00.00% 6822 0.00 { JJ }

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givememyleg

04-23-2008, 04:36 AM

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raise more on the flop so you dont have to even THINK about folding here

as played i still dont fold

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deacon_bluez

04-23-2008, 07:16 PM

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Yes, I think you guys are right about calling the turn. I was mad at myself for my bad raise on the flop. (My reason was that my attention was on another table. I looked at the set and the two hearts and thought raise, and stupidly clicked the raise button as a defensive move.) I realized right away that I hadn't priced him off the flush draw. Then the heart hits and I thought I was sunk. I made the turn bet already feeling like I was beat, because the card I tried (poorly) to avoid actually came. Should have thought the turn through a little better, but I was already demoralized and gave up on the hand. Bad play all the way along.

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04-23-2008, 08:24 PM

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I use sets to make my loose call-downs

If I have a set and
If you can beat my set
I pay it off
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04-24-2008, 12:36 AM

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04-24-2008, 08:11 PM

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drunk that is how i play
so being drunk, iwould have to push the turn

because when they put it all in on the river and call most likely-->i would be stabbing myself while doing it

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Robb

04-26-2008, 08:29 PM

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I don't see the issue here - even if he has the flush, you STILL have 10 outs on the river. And he might not have the flush.

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