Originally Posted by CardPlayer

When you bet in no-limit, you must consider how deep you are and how deep your opponent is. Let’s say you have the :Ac::Ad: and raise the $10 big blind to $50 and get called by only the big blind. The flop comes a glorious :Ah::As: and you obviously check. The turn is the and the big blind bets $200. If you have only $500 left, it is OK to slow-play and just call here. But if you and your opponent each have $12,000, you really should consider raising.

If the river brings the , , or , you no longer have the nuts. The big blind could have a straight flush, and considering the play of the hand, he very well might. If you have $12,000, just called the $200 turn, and the river does make a straight flush, you have to be very careful. If he bets $2,000, you can’t raise him! If he checks the river, you bet $600, and he raises to $12,000, you should seriously consider folding.

Originally Posted by Lucid

This is one of those situations that only applies to big stakes players. With twelve thousand dollars on the line I might actually fold. Those are some deep stacks and why would your opponent bet that much if he only has a full house or a flush when he knows you might have the four of a kind with your pre-flop raise and that board with two aces. It's hard to imagine a situation where you would fold four aces but this might be it.

Originally Posted by Lucid

I think part of the key here is that there are not nearly as many stupid players at that level of stakes that would go all-in thinking they have the nuts with a flush or a full-house. If you were an expert cash-ring player would you go all-in with an Ace-high flush with two aces showing and a tight player who raised pre-flop. Would you risk 12k to find out if your twos full of aces was still good. There is an equal chance that somebody has the 34 of spades as two aces after the cards are on the board. A strait flush is no longer extremely rare after you factor in the fact that 3 of the cards needed are on the board. After this board shows up four aces vs a strait flush is no longer a one in a million situation.

Originally Posted by Greedo017

if you are so short in your bankroll that you are ever under any circumstances folding quad aces then you have risk management issues.

Originally Posted by dalecooper

This is even more true if the 4 comes down and I'm supposed to put him on 5s 3s... suited cards that low that don't even connect? He'd have to be one of the loosest players on earth to make that call.

Originally Posted by dalecooper

Also I don't believe he'd push in that massive amount of money with a straight flush. Most players want to get paid off for good hands; he's putting me in a situation where I want to fold anything that's not at least a full house. Why play it that way? Unless he's a poker genius and somehow knows I hit quads, he's playing the hand in a very stupid fashion. Trip aces won't call him here because the flush is so obvious, and trip aces are the most likely holding of a player who raises pre-flop and then transparently slows down on a flop of AA2.

Originally Posted by jmontis

call me crazy but i'll go broke with quad aces any day in my life.

Originally Posted by hagakure

It looks like they didn't have too much to write about that day. Next week it will say "Quad Kings and SB points a gun at you...fold?"

Originally Posted by Zangief

This fold seems +EV to me ... at least for the pot sizes we're talking about.

Originally Posted by Element187

its only +EV when he has the straight flush.. im going to say your going to win with quad aces the majority of the time this comes up on the board

Originally Posted by Zangief

Ummm ... I meant the expected value of living past the hand was worth more to me than winning the pot and taking a bullet. Did you read hagakure's post?

Originally Posted by Element187

right, but the majority of the time your taking this pot down, you will win more then what you lost in that one hand

Originally Posted by dsaxton

That's pretty silly. You should consider raising with quads on the turn just because your opponent might have a straight flush draw? Give me a break.

There is no chance I would ever fold quads under any circumstance, even with a four card straight flush on the board. If my opponent is showing strength with both a four card straight flush on the board and I have quads, I would consider it more likely he simply had a full than a straight flush and put all my money in the pot.

Originally Posted by holdem_newbie

One point i'd like to make here is why would someone call a pre-flop raise with low-suited connector?
Surely it's safe to assume they called with something like Kx suited hoping to hit the flush? Therefore there's no chance i'd be folding!

Anyone's opinions on this theory?

Originally Posted by AllinLife

I admit that this example is overkilled a bit rather, but what's important is that you gasp the concept of not raising when a reraise will make you puke, or your raise will only get called by a better hand.

Originally Posted by holdem_newbie

One point i'd like to make here is why would someone call a pre-flop raise with low-suited connector?
Surely it's safe to assume they called with something like Kx suited hoping to hit the flush? Therefore there's no chance i'd be folding!

Anyone's opinions on this theory?

Originally Posted by holdem_newbie

One point i'd like to make here is why would someone call a pre-flop raise with low-suited connector?

Originally Posted by hagakure

It looks like they didn't have too much to write about that day. Next week it will say "Quad Kings and SB points a gun at you...fold?"

Originally Posted by Zangief

I choose Option 1 unless the pot is very, very big.

Originally Posted by ensign_lee

There is no way on God's green earth that I ever, ever EVER fold quad Aces, especially if two of them are IN MY HAND.