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Old 03-18-2008, 04:22 PM     Post subject: flush draws #1 (permalink)  
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i find myself in this position alot...

i call pfop raise here with AXs in 3-way pot
I get a good flop...

I intended to C/R and did, luckily it was re-raised b4 me so i went all in...

did I play this right?
what if it was raised to me with 1 caller? do i 3bet 3.5x his raise or just over bet all in?

if i 3bet flop and he calls, doesnt that put me in a nsty situation on the turn if i miss?

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0/0 Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) - Tue Mar 18 00:46:28 EDT 2008
Table Table 130241 (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: piperone111 ( $40.63)
Seat 2: langaan ( $40.46)
Seat 3: POUA4Life ( $11.07)
Seat 4: Bce_mne ( $26.02)
Seat 5: trauma12 ( $23.60)
Seat 6: psmadsen ( $36.89)
piperone111 posts small blind (0.10)
langaan posts big blind (0.25)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to langaan [ 9h, Ah ]
POUA4Life calls (0.25)
Bce_mne raises (1.25) to 1.25
trauma12 folds
piperone111 calls (1.15)
langaan calls (1)
POUA4Life calls (1)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 5c, 6h, 4h ]
piperone111 checks
langaan checks
POUA4Life bets (3)
Bce_mne raises (9) to 9
piperone111 folds
langaan raises (39.21) to 39.21
langaan is all-In.
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Old 03-18-2008, 05:27 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Um.... I wouldn't play it that way for sure.
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Old 03-18-2008, 05:35 PM     Post subject: d #3 (permalink)  
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Um.... I wouldn't play it that way for sure.
how would you....
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Old 03-18-2008, 05:35 PM     Post subject: Re: flush draws #4 (permalink)  
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i find myself in this position alot...

i call pfop raise here with AXs in 3-way pot
don't do that. problem solved.



 
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Old 03-18-2008, 05:38 PM     Post subject: Re: flush draws #5 (permalink)  
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i find myself in this position alot...

i call pfop raise here with AXs in 3-way pot
don't do that. problem solved.
+1

Axs is a hand that I either limp behind other limpers to flush-hunt for cheap, or raise in LP to isolate & take the pot down with a c-bet if the remaining villains look like good candiates for that.
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Old 03-18-2008, 05:45 PM     Post subject: Re: flush draws #6 (permalink)  
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i find myself in this position alot...

i call pfop raise here with AXs in 3-way pot
don't do that. problem solved.
+1

Axs is a hand that I either limp behind other limpers to flush-hunt for cheap, or raise in LP to isolate & take the pot down with a c-bet if the remaining villains look like good candiates for that.
ok,
2 questions...

do you play Axs in any raised pot? 4-way? 5-way?

also,
did i play this correctly after preflop?
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Old 03-18-2008, 06:41 PM     Post subject: Re: flush draws #7 (permalink)  
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i find myself in this position alot...

i call pfop raise here with AXs in 3-way pot
don't do that. problem solved.
+1

Axs is a hand that I either limp behind other limpers to flush-hunt for cheap, or raise in LP to isolate & take the pot down with a c-bet if the remaining villains look like good candiates for that.
ok,
2 questions...

do you play Axs in any raised pot? 4-way? 5-way?

also,
did i play this correctly after preflop?
there needs to be quite a few people in the pot already for me to call a pfr with Axs. and no, you didn't play it correctly post-flop. if you get called there you most likely only have 9-12 outs. the pfr looks like he has an overpair or maybe even a set. ppl don't fold overpairs or sets so you have no fold equity so there's no reason to shove. you should just fold.
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Old 03-18-2008, 06:52 PM #8 (permalink)  
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According to RenTon's preflop guide he would only call a preflop raise like that with Axs if in late position and there are 4+ players in.

I wouldn't call pre-flop, and I would fold post-flop.
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Old 03-18-2008, 07:39 PM #9 (permalink)  

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Some people play suited Aces like small pocket pairs PF... and it sounds like you're one of them. I believe getting a flush is about the same odds as flopping a set, but I wouldn't play them the same because you'll find yourself chasing a bit too often. I only play low-suited Aces from late position and I usually don't call raises with them. I'll typically play pocket pairs from any position but I will call raises if my opponent can pay me off if I flop my set.
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Old 03-18-2008, 08:03 PM #10 (permalink)  
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I believe getting a flush is about the same odds as flopping a set
Flopping a flush DRAW is about the same odds as flopping a set (slightly better).

The only time I call a PFR with Axs is when it's going to be a 4way+, and there's only one left to call the last raise (like you're in SB/BB and raiser was in EP with some callers in MP/LP).

The semi-bluff is an overused play at the lower limits because people often just won't fold (there are obviously times where it's still a good play). Here's it's bad because the initial raiser is following up his initial strength with even more strength, so it's likely that he's holding a big overpair which he's not very likely to lay down.
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Old 03-18-2008, 08:13 PM #11 (permalink)  
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Another way to put it is how my coach put it to me...

A-rag is A-rag unless you hit on the flop... if you didn't you're playing A-high against made hands... what should you do?
 
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Old 03-18-2008, 08:16 PM #12 (permalink)  
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I believe getting a flush is about the same odds as flopping a set
Flopping a flush DRAW is about the same odds as flopping a set (slightly better).
This needs to be repeated. A DRAW. You only hit that draw 33% of the time. Calling with Axs hit's a flush by the river only about 5% of the time. Not to mention how often you don't get payed after getting 3 cards to a flush on board and try to get it in. You need huge odds to play Axs and your NOT in position. Playing draws OOP is -EV at any stake.
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Old 03-18-2008, 08:32 PM #13 (permalink)  
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 Agreed with a lot of the advice here. I rarely call any SC OOP 100bb deep in a raised pot much less Axs.
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I believe getting a flush is about the same odds as flopping a set
Flopping a flush DRAW is about the same odds as flopping a set (slightly better).
This needs to be repeated. A DRAW. You only hit that draw 33% of the time. Calling with Axs hit's a flush by the river only about 5% of the time. Not to mention how often you don't get payed after getting 3 cards to a flush on board and try to get it in. You need huge odds to play Axs and your NOT in position. Playing draws OOP is -EV at any stake.
Ha! I failed to include that little useful piece of information in there. That's what y'all are for though, to pick up the damn slack!
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Old 03-18-2008, 09:18 PM #15 (permalink)  
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I betcha straights are more profitable than flushes.
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Old 03-19-2008, 12:33 AM #16 (permalink)  

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I betcha straights are more profitable than flushes.
I agree, but way more in micro limits.
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Old 03-19-2008, 04:44 AM #17 (permalink)  
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 fold pre.

bet flop as played, then only call a re-raise if 8 outs gives you pot odds
(8 outs cos sometimes you have 9 vs a set and other times less vs an overpair)
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