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Funky
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03-18-2005, 08:55 AM
Post subject: flopping two small pair
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Join Date: Mar 2005
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lets say you're BB and you hit bottom 2 pair
the action is on you, how do you usually play this hand
lets say rainbow flop, no real straight draws
I usually play NL low stakes
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Greedo017
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a. you don't want to fold. b. 2 pair is a pretty weak hand, you don't want to check weak hands. that leaves you with c. betting, and since your hand is somewhat weak you want to be betting somewhat strong, between 2/3's and a full pot. board is not really dangerous, yea most of the time you can see a turn card and be fine, but you still want to bet to build the pot regardless.
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i betcha that i got something you ain't got, that's called courage, it don't come from no liquor bottle, it ain't scotch
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a500lbgorilla
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JESUS TAKE THE KEYBOARD
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You stand to have the best hand here frequently and few opponents who have anything good. Just bet and take it down. If you get called, keep betting until the opponent gives reason to beleive you're beat.
-'rilla
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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dsaxton
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I would probably check-call the flop, and then make standard bets on the turn and river. Given that there are no draws on the board, a bet on the turn when a blank card falls will probably get called by a confused player with top pair, as would a bet on the river. The hand is somewhat vulnerable, but it's an easy fold if an opponent is raising you big or if the board happens to pair in an unfavorable way.
I think this is the best way to mask your hand and get maximum value out of a player who has flopped something marginal like top pair.
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poskid_1982
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Bet it like you mean it. TPTK at low stakes is gonna pay you off huge. If you do decide to check call. You arent gaining as much info on the player. And I hate not getting what I can out of a player. If he check raises you with TPTK and shows it down this is gold to know.
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Superb play sir...I always call 20% of my stack off with a gutshot draw. Excuse me while I race for my wallet.
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a500lbgorilla
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Originally Posted by dsaxton
I would probably check-call the flop
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That's probably your worst move next to folding. In limp pots, even "blank" cards can give someone else a better two pair.
Bet like you've got a hand to bet with.
-'rilla
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dsaxton
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
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Originally Posted by dsaxton
I would probably check-call the flop
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That's probably your worst move next to folding. In limp pots, even "blank" cards can give someone else a better two pair.
Bet like you've got a hand to bet with.
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I doubt it. It's a minor risk, but one that probably increases profits a bit as well. A medium-sized bet on the flop is also a consideration.
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Aceofone
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I agree with rilla', it's far better to take down a small/mid-size pot, than get burnt for a good portion of my stack. Bet the pot on the flop, Bet 2/3 of pot on turn; and match the turn bet on river if no draws have completed. (applies to low limit NL ring).
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dsaxton
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Originally Posted by Aceofone
I agree with rilla', it's far better to take down a small/mid-size pot, than get burnt for a good portion of my stack. Bet the pot on the flop, Bet 2/3 of pot on turn; and match the turn bet on river if no draws have completed. (applies to low limit NL ring).
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You've flopped a legitimately strong hand and want players to inferior ones to call you, so why not show a little weakness on the flop when doing so doesn't involve major risks?
I also said that this is an easy fold if your opponent is raising you big. If you lose a lot in this situation, it's from poor judgement.
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a500lbgorilla
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Originally Posted by dsaxton
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Originally Posted by Aceofone
I agree with rilla', it's far better to take down a small/mid-size pot, than get burnt for a good portion of my stack. Bet the pot on the flop, Bet 2/3 of pot on turn; and match the turn bet on river if no draws have completed. (applies to low limit NL ring).
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You've flopped a legitimately strong hand and want players to inferior ones to call you, so why not show a little weakness on the flop when doing so doesn't involve major risks?
I also said that this is an easy fold if your opponent is raising you big. If you lose a lot in this situation, it's from poor judgement. |
Top pair is not going to get very gung-ho in a limp pot as is... But a turned two pair will.
-'rilla
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BL Mike
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Originally Posted by dsaxton
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Originally Posted by Aceofone
I agree with rilla', it's far better to take down a small/mid-size pot, than get burnt for a good portion of my stack. Bet the pot on the flop, Bet 2/3 of pot on turn; and match the turn bet on river if no draws have completed. (applies to low limit NL ring).
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You've flopped a legitimately strong hand and want players to inferior ones to call you, so why not show a little weakness on the flop when doing so doesn't involve major risks? |
I also agree with 'rilla here. Sure you're very likely to have the best hand now but by slowplaying it, it is too easy to slowplay yourself into a loser. It's legitimately strong off the flop but only likely to get weaker as the turn and river comes. As Aceofone said, I'd rather take down the small/mid-sized pot then slowplay myself into losing to a higher two pair by some body playing K8s and catching the 8 on the turn on river.
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dsaxton
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Originally Posted by BL Mike
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Originally Posted by dsaxton
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Originally Posted by Aceofone
I agree with rilla', it's far better to take down a small/mid-size pot, than get burnt for a good portion of my stack. Bet the pot on the flop, Bet 2/3 of pot on turn; and match the turn bet on river if no draws have completed. (applies to low limit NL ring).
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You've flopped a legitimately strong hand and want players to inferior ones to call you, so why not show a little weakness on the flop when doing so doesn't involve major risks? |
I also agree with 'rilla here. Sure you're very likely to have the best hand now but by slowplaying it, it is too easy to slowplay yourself into a loser. It's legitimately strong off the flop but only likely to get weaker as the turn and river comes. As Aceofone said, I'd rather take down the small/mid-sized pot then slowplay myself into losing to a higher two pair by some body playing K8s and catching the 8 on the turn on river. |
Since it's an easy fold if my opponent is showing incredible strength, I don't consider this very risky at all. I'm willing to take what little risk is involved here given the prospect of making some extra money.
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Waggho
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My small twopairs always seem to become threepairs if I don´t take the pot down on flop! :P
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poskid_1982
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I'm giving the point to Whaggo...definately seems to happen way too often.
*said at my home game
"Thats a great hand...Beats two pair right?"
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Superb play sir...I always call 20% of my stack off with a gutshot draw. Excuse me while I race for my wallet.
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