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sarbox68
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09-17-2007, 09:44 PM
Post subject: Flopped sets on a FD board
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Full House
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This is prolly a 101 question, but f- it... why stop asking them now...?
"It seems"* that 60+% of the time that I flop a set the board also contains a two suited cards. So my question... Most* of the time when I PSB the flop to kill the drawing odds, I end up basically taking it down. I feel like I'm losing the potential to get turn and river value from these sets. However, if I bet smaller 1/2 - 2/3 PSB to try and keep people in build the pot, I know I'm risking losing the hand if the draw completes.
Am I more concerned about the FD (esp. if there are only 1 or 2 others in the flop) than I should be? What's the usually appropriate way to go on these?
*Poster recognizes implied statistical insignificance associated with an n of <100,000 hands and accepts responsibility for responses colored by the inability to deliver true statistics of record, subsituting broad and gross generalizations in lieu. Poster doesn't really give a sh!t about any of that because said question has been "macking his dome" for weeks.
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DetroitHusling101
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Wouldn't betting 2/3 the pot be denying your opponent proper odds to draw to the flush?
Or no ? Because of Implied odds?
I just play SNG's but will probally start playing Cash when i have a bigger roll.
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Warpe
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I thought we'd cured you of that 1/2 pot bet thang. Make draws pay. Trust me, you'll get callers. Anywhere from 2/3<PSB is usually good, closer to pot if it's multi-way. Remember, you're building a pot and betting for value. Sets are big pot hands so start building one.
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Miffed22001
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if you won ever pot you ever played preflop you would make money.
Hence, it doesnt matter that you 'only ' won anything you still won.
So bet it out and dont look to get action, it will come to you fast enough in enough spots.
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sarbox68
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Originally Posted by Warpe
I thought we'd cured you of that 1/2 pot bet thang.
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LOL... yeah, u did. Now I'm just sitting there going, "Hey, play with me ... I have a set ... wait.... WTF did everybody go????" 
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Zee Devee
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I would probably bet about 2/3 the pot, then bet hard on the turn regardless. If they did hit their flush, you have 10 outs; and if the flush didn't complete, you are making them pay big to draw.
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Jack Sawyer
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Originally Posted by sarbox68
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Originally Posted by Warpe
I thought we'd cured you of that 1/2 pot bet thang.
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LOL... yeah, u did. Now I'm just sitting there going, "Hey, play with me ... I have a set ... wait.... WTF did everybody go????" |
Win a small pot, its 10x better than losing a huge one
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Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer
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Originally Posted by sarbox68
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Originally Posted by Warpe
I thought we'd cured you of that 1/2 pot bet thang.
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LOL... yeah, u did. Now I'm just sitting there going, "Hey, play with me ... I have a set ... wait.... WTF did everybody go????" |
Win a small pot, its 10x better than losing a huge one |
That's not our goal with a set though. We just make the draw pay. Give 'em bad odds, and you'll win often enough to be profitable. That's the short and long I think.
Edit: I may have misread your post jack
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Jack Sawyer
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Yeah, make 'em pay to draw. If they fold to any bet anyway, then gg set payoff.
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Chopper
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you can get a bit more frisky on drier boards. when you hit your set, and the draw came with it...dont F around!! ...unless you like suckouts.
you wouldnt start limping AA because your raise folded the table the last 2 times, would you? same thing.
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