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Old 01-29-2009, 03:29 AM     Post subject: Flopped Royal Flush Draw/TPTK Hands #1 (permalink)  
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 I've felt a little lost the last few days. I'm winning (very small amounts with large time input by me) but I think I'm doing well with ranges and post-game analysis. Anyways, these two hands have come up and kinda bugged me.

No read on this villain. I had no idea what to do on the turn here, so I just checked like a wimp. I realize now my draw was massive and I still had good equity against a ton of his range but I just wasn't thinking in the moment.

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MP1 ($2.20)
MP2 ($4.45)
MP3 ($9.85)
CO ($10.65)
Button ($7.05)
SB ($10)
Hero (BB) ($10.05)
UTG ($11)
UTG+1 ($5.45)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, Q
UTG raises to $0.40, 5 folds, Button calls $0.40, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2, UTG calls $1.60, 1 fold

Flop: ($4.45) 10, K, J (2 players)
Hero bets $1.90, UTG calls $1.90

Turn: ($8.25) 10 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks

River: ($8.25) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $7.10 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: $8.25 | Rake: $0.40


The villain in this hand is the nutcamping suuuupernitty type. Like 6/6 over 650 hands, with only 3 3bets in all of those hands. I imagine he's only 3betting the very top of his range, and that probably does not include AK just based on the stats. Am I giving him too much credit putting him on AK/33/KcQc?

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UTG+1 ($1.75)
MP1 ($13.70)
MP2 ($11.05)
MP3 ($3.60)
Hero (CO) ($11.40)
Button ($10.95)
SB ($1.90)
BB ($2.15)
UTG ($1.85)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A, Q
5 folds, Hero raises to $0.40, Button calls $0.40, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.95) 3, K, A (2 players)
Hero bets $0.70, Button raises to $1.90, Hero folds

Total pot: $2.35 | Rake: $0.10
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Old 01-29-2009, 05:40 AM #2 (permalink)  
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i don't think villain was that douche bag that was sitting at our tables but based on reads and insanely nitty style over 650 hands this is an insta-fold imo...

at the very worst you're sharing cards and splitting the pot... i'm almost convinced he has AK...

by the way after today's session ended the day with a net win! i didn't think i would cause i was down about three buy-ins today... lol...
 
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Old 01-29-2009, 06:15 AM #3 (permalink)  
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1. if your going to cbet the flop i think it needs to be bigger, say 3/4 of the pot imo.. and yeah i agree with u about needed to fire again on the turn before easing up if you're called.

2. your read makes it a fold imo
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Old 01-30-2009, 01:44 AM #4 (permalink)  
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The first hand is a tough one, I've no clue what to do with it.

The second hand is an obvious fold.
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Old 01-30-2009, 02:04 AM #5 (permalink)  

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1. I have no idea if I'm right or not here, but I would have bet the flop a lot harder, 3/4-full pot. If called, the turn is a scary card, because it greatly improves most of the hands that he'd have called your bet pre and on the flop with (sets, two pairs, etc.) especially when the river doesn't improve you. I think after the call on the flop I'd have to c/f unless a Q or the flush hit, and even then I'd be uneasy with any diamond that's not the Ace or 9, because a larger flop bet wouldn't have necessarily gotten rid of Ad, especially one which also paired the board.

Ran it through Pokerstove a few times to be sure, and after the turn you're a 45% dog to someone who called with 88+ and any broadway, and you have to assume that most of the hands in that range you beat wouldn't have called the cbet. Add in suited 9s and you're still a dog, and you've got to think any 9 that's not Q9 or Ad9 got folded, which doesn't make things any better.

2. As explained, easy fold. Best you can hope for is a chop.
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Old 01-31-2009, 10:23 AM #6 (permalink)  
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I'm looking to get it in on the flop, so I'm betting like $4. The turn is absolutely terrible, but a hand like AK (without Ad) or KQ (they can't have any diamonds) might be willing to fold to a 2-barrel, so it's close. I'd probably just put the rest in anyways (like $4 into over $12)and hope villain shows up with AdJ, 9d9, QJs, or the other QQ when he calls. When we're behind we still have a ton of outs to most hands except KK, JJ-TT, AdQ, AdT, and AdK, and even then we're not drawing dead.

Good play on Hand 2. You had a good read and you made a disciplined fold. Well done.
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Old 01-31-2009, 07:19 PM #7 (permalink)  
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just shove the flop in hand 1
you have like 2.5x the pot, you get called by hands that are behind (AK)
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