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Old 08-07-2009, 09:50 AM     Post subject: Flopped quad deuces, played ok? #1 (permalink)  

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Any comments on this hand? Should I have raised PF? I thought that with so many limpers I don't want to risk getting 3bet with just 22, but being CO maybe I should have worried less? Also (and I only just notice this now) 2 'limpers' were actually just posting blinds out of turn...
As played, should I have shoved the river instead?
Got really desperate there trying to keep someone in the hand...

I have no reads on villain, it is literally the first hand we play. I figure he has an overpair, or a 6.

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MP2 ($1)
MP3 ($3)
Hero (CO) ($2.43)
Button ($2.03)
SB ($3.29)
BB ($1.08)
UTG ($2.80)
UTG+1 ($3.78)
MP1 ($2.44)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 2, 2
UTG calls $0.02, UTG+1 calls $0.02, MP1 calls $0.02, MP2 (poster) checks, MP3 (poster) checks, Hero calls $0.02, 1 fold, SB calls $0.01, BB checks

Flop: ($0.16) 2, 2, 6 (8 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 bets $0.06, Hero calls $0.06, 6 folds

Turn: ($0.28) 10 (2 players)
MP3 bets $0.06, Hero raises to $0.30, MP3 calls $0.24

River: ($0.88) 4 (2 players)
MP3 bets $0.08, Hero raises to $0.50, MP3 calls $0.42

Total pot: $1.88 | Rake: $0.05
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Old 08-07-2009, 10:32 AM #2 (permalink)  
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I like pre, if table is passive and not superaggressive.
I like flop. We must not chase out players with so many to act.
Turn is good- a bit bigger aint too bad either.
River bet is way too small.
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Old 08-07-2009, 11:12 AM #3 (permalink)  
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River bet is way too small.
no way, its perfect. we max value from 6x and like 55, 88 type hands.
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Old 08-07-2009, 12:04 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 Preflop is completely fine. We shouldn't be raising here after 5 limpers.
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Old 08-07-2009, 07:30 PM #5 (permalink)  
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I'd raise flop because his bet is too small in relation to the pot and it doesn't look like we have trips because people expect you to call flop and raise turn with trips
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most microdonks dont expect anything. They just look at the board and their hand to check if they got a pair, and then decide which button to mash.
Bet sizing usually doesnt change their calling frequency at all, unless you make some huge 5x potbet or something, which is why I'd just pot the turn and river.
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to an extent that's true, but when you have a good hand it's still better to play it in a way that causes distrust
and if the guy REALLY doesn't pay attention to what you do then raising the flop is better because we get the money in faster and have a better chance of stacking him
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Old 08-10-2009, 11:43 AM #8 (permalink)  

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Alright, thanks for the feedback.

Being results-oriented for a minute, the river was probably ok because villain called with air.
Next time in a similar situation I'll probably go for a PSB on the river, though.
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River bet is way too small.
no way, its perfect. we max value from 6x and like 55, 88 type hands.
I'll try to find it later but i have a vid from deuces cracked that explains why you should always shove the river when you have the nuts or close to it at most stakes of poker. I think it's in the mathmatics of poker series by wiltontilt. One concern is we are not worried about geting max value when the villain has a weak made hand. We are concerned about getting it all in when they have what they preceive to be a strong hand. At these stakes they would think of 99+ as a strong hand
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River bet is way too small.
no way, its perfect. we max value from 6x and like 55, 88 type hands.
I'll try to find it later but i have a vid from deuces cracked that explains why you should always shove the river when you have the nuts or close to it at most stakes of poker. I think it's in the mathmatics of poker series by wiltontilt. One concern is we are not worried about geting max value when the villain has a weak made hand. We are concerned about getting it all in when they have what they preceive to be a strong hand. At these stakes they would think of 99+ as a strong hand
its a good point, but villain's range is sooooooooo weak here. he never has JJ+, 99 doesnt stack off because the ten hit and hes obviously cautious of it due to his turn action. Tx isnt consistent with his flop action on such a dry board, he cant have trips, so what can he have? The weak hands he can possibly have here arent calling a psb raise, and he doesnt have enough strong hands to justify betting larger.

Like, we can bet full pot and get called by that 5% of his range thats retarded...but we certainly make more by betting an amount the other part calls. I completely understand that when we bet 1/2 pot and get called by 50% of his range and when we bet full pot and get called by 25% of his range we make the same amount on average...but the ratio of hands willing to call large here is really really small.
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Old 08-16-2009, 01:28 PM #11 (permalink)  

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Why not go all in on river.
You know you're going to win and the other persons curiosity should be enough to call at those community cards out.
Anyway what im getting at is river bet was too small in a hand you know you are going to win
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